nice effect

[Taz]

http://www.pixelisland.net/

this makes great use of the IE transitions (its not mine) i originally
thought it was flash!

mark

It looked neat, but I thought the letter was hard to read.

 

[Leif K-Brooks]

Well, no competent author ignores any browser he or she is aware of.

And if an otherwise competent author ignored a browser, I'm guessing you
would no longer consider that author to be competent. Self-fulfilling
prophecy.

 

[Neal]

And if an otherwise competent author ignored a browser, I'm guessing you
would no longer consider that author to be competent. Self-fulfilling
prophecy.

If I had written, "No healthy person swallows turpentine," and you replied
"If an otherwise healthy person swallowed turpentine, you'd no longer
consider that person to be healthy" would THAT signify a self-fulfilling
prophecy, or simple proof of the concept?

Hmph. Let me clarify. My context for that statement was WWW authoring. A
competent web author tries to be aware of all the UA's being used. If you
ignore a browser which you are aware of, yes, you are incompetent by my
standard. If you do so by accident, you're carelessly incompetent, but you
change that by learning and growing as a web author. If you do so on
purpose, aside from some scenario I can't possibly imagine you'd be just
idiotic.

If what you are putting on the WWW is important enough to belong on the
WWW, you want as many people to access it as you can. Delivering the
content of your site to whatever user wants to access it happens to be the
whole purpose of web authoring, so acting counter to that goal is
incompetent.

The only possible exception I can conjure up to my quoted statement is
when you are doing a project specifically for a limited market where you
or someone else has control over the user agents used, and are utilizing
features specifically for those UA's. But that's not WWW authoring, that's
intranet authoring.

 

[Whitecrest]

Hmph. Let me clarify. My context for that statement was WWW authoring. A
competent web author tries to be aware of all the UA's being used.

I agree

if you
ignore a browser which you are aware of, yes, you are incompetent by my
standard.

Or you understand your clients.

If you do so by accident, you're carelessly incompetent, but you
change that by learning and growing as a web author. If you do so on
purpose, aside from some scenario I can't possibly imagine you'd be just
idiotic.

This show complete lack of understanding marketing. And as much as you
don't want to believe it. Marketing and the web go hand and hand. I
think this lack of understanding your clients is even more idiotic.
Every web site, like ever product is NOT meant for everyone.

 

[Whitecrest]

Remember the 7 to 1 guideline, though - people are seven times more likely
to complain to their friends/colleagues/purchasing department about a
bad experience as they are to praise a good one.

You know, I have never in my life ever had anyone complain about a web
site to me. No one has ever brought up in conversation "Hey, I was
browsing the other day, and came a cross a web site that [fill in the
complaint here], You should not ever go there..."

But it's a moot point anyway, because their sales went UP 10% It does
not matter if they alienate 90% of the visitors if what ever they did
caused the sales to increase by 10%

 

[Chris Morris]

Remember the 7 to 1 guideline, though - people are seven times more likely
to complain to their friends/colleagues/purchasing department about a
bad experience as they are to praise a good one.

You know, I have never in my life ever had anyone complain about a web
site to me. No one has ever brought up in conversation "Hey, I was
browsing the other day, and came a cross a web site that [fill in the
complaint here], You should not ever go there..."

We must know different people. I find it happens a fair amount.

But it's a moot point anyway, because their sales went UP 10% It does
not matter if they alienate 90% of the visitors if what ever they did
caused the sales to increase by 10%

That's not how I interpreted the original assertion - I interpreted it
as the remaining customers each buying 10% more on average, rather
than a 10% net increase. Obviously a 10% net increase is worthwhile anyway.

Of course, if you alienate 90% and the remaining 10% buy 11 times more
so your sales go up by 10%, you could have had a 100% increase if the
step to get that sales increase _hadn't_ alienated the others, which
most of the time should be possible to some extent. Obviously these
are ridiculously large figures for an actual site.

 

[Saint Firk]

Way down deep in the middle of the congo, Leif K-Brooks and a hippo took an
apricot a guava and a mango. Stuck it with the others and he danced a dainty
tango...

My first reaction to that page was madly turning my head.

And straining to see what the it said.

Looks nice but not very functional.

 

[Saint Firk]

Way down deep in the middle of the congo, mark | r and a hippo took an apricot
a guava and a mango. Stuck it with the others and he danced a dainty tango...

.. ah and another one...

why bother with css formatting you want plain vanilla XHTML code, none of
this fancy layout rubbish

Because CSS alows you to seperate the design from the content, making the
content still accesiable even if the design can't be displayed. I'd rather get
the contnet thankyou.

 

[Whitecrest]

We must know different people. I find it happens a fair amount.

Apparently ;-}

That's not how I interpreted the original assertion - I interpreted it
as the remaining customers each buying 10% more on average, rather
than a 10% net increase. Obviously a 10% net increase is worthwhile anyway.
Of course, if you alienate 90% and the remaining 10% buy 11 times more
so your sales go up by 10%, you could have had a 100% increase if the
step to get that sales increase _hadn't_ alienated the others, which
most of the time should be possible to some extent.

Yes, if that is possible, if not, I will then go for the increase in
sales every time.

Obviously these
are ridiculously large figures for an actual site.

I agree.