Python's popularity

[je.s.te.r]

This is a war Steve, and i will explain why. Python does not need to

<snip ridiculousness>

No it isn't. Languages are not religions, they're tools to do a job.
Beyond that, they're simple semantic wrappers around machine code. If
a new language comes along and "wins", who cares? Just move on to that
language if you see fit, or don't if you don't want to. It's not a big
deal.

 

[Luis M. González]

Steve Holden


This is a war Steve, and i will explain why. Python does not need to
compete with perl, lisp, C, basic, etc, etc. WHY, well because python
is SO radically different than those languages. Ruby on the other
hand, took most from python, the only difference is Ruby's full OO
integration.(12.method()). Since Ruby is so similar to python we must
consider that some people who would have found only python in this
niche now could go to Ruby. I am for choices, but this is out and out
robbery!
Of course we must stand on the shoulders of greater minds than our own
to get ahead, but using someone's knowledge against them is wrong. If
Ruby want's to incorporate so many Pythonian ideas into their
language, at least put a note in the tutorial giving credit to Guido
for his wisdom. Don't use our ideas and then bash python in the next
breath!


I was speaking to the loyalty of Pythonista's. Of course we are not
really going to slay mats, come on Steve, get real!


Come on Steve, i am NOT saying speed is the only thing that matters
here! But it is very important. I never compared Python to C, that is
madness. But it must be better, faster, smarter than it's direct
competition(ruby)... you agree??


Oh Steve... Listen, my words are ment as a wake-up-call to all who
still love Python, and i believe you are one of them. Maybe old age
has slowed your hand, that's OK, Us "youngsters" will take the helm.
And be serious, do you really think this group is read by "hundreds-of-
thousands of news readers? I wish it were, but I highly doubt it.

Dude, calm down... There is no war here.
Please turn off your computer, go take a walk for awhile, experience
some real life in the outer world, and then think about this again.
Python is cool language, Ruby too. We are all happy and competition is
good.
Nobody will win this "war" and the loser won't be annihilated. I hope
there will be some healthy cross-pollination.
There is actually, for example python borrowed list-comprehensions
from haskell and I've never heard any haskell fan calling for jihad.

Did you know that people are looking forward to use pypy to create a
fast ruby implementation?
Pypy is being developed by python developers and they will be happy to
see a ruby, perl, logo or whatever language implemented with pypy. We
are talking about tools, not religions.
Those who use them to create useful, real life applications know it.

Soon, we will be able to use python libraries from ruby and the other
way around. the differences will be just a matter of taste, different
syntax to achieve the same tasks.

Luis

 

[r]

OK je.s.t... whatever,
We see where you stand. And also see that by removing your comments
from the archive in 5 days, how small your acorns really are.

 

[r]

Dude, calm down... There is no war here.
Please turn off your computer, go take a walk for awhile, experience
some real life in the outer world, and then think about this again.
Python is cool language, Ruby too. We are all happy and competition is
good.
Nobody will win this "war" and the loser won't be annihilated. I hope
there will be some healthy cross-pollination.
There is actually, for example python borrowed list-comprehensions
from haskell and I've never heard any haskell fan calling for jihad.

Did you know that people are looking forward to use pypy to create a
fast ruby implementation?
Pypy is being developed by python developers and they will be happy to
see a ruby, perl, logo or whatever language implemented with pypy. We
are talking about tools, not religions.
Those who use them to create useful, real life applications know it.

Soon, we will be able to use python libraries from ruby and the other
way around. the differences will be just a matter of taste, different
syntax to achieve the same tasks.

Luis

Your right, Python needs Ruby, and do you know why??? The same reason
MS needs, Mac & Linux. So they do not fall asleep at the wheel! This
keeps MS on there toes(although still no explanation for their piss-
poor product).

Python needs Ruby so we don't fall asleep. Ruby may be the best thing
that happened to Python. Wake Up people! The writing is on the Wall!

 

[je.s.te.r]

We see where you stand. And also see that by removing your comments
from the archive in 5 days, how small your acorns really are.

What is "the archive", Google Groups? You do realize that's not the
entirety of Usenet, correct?

 

[je.s.te.r]

We see where you stand. And also see that by removing your comments
from the archive in 5 days, how small your acorns really are.

Also, it is pretty hard to take such accusations seriously from someone
who themselves is using a generic gmail address w/o their real name
attached to it. If I didn't care about using a proper NNTP client, I
could quite easily create some dufus account on Gmail and post through
that just like you did - I'm sure that'd really increase my credibility!

 

[Robert Kern]

What is "the archive", Google Groups? You do realize that's not the
entirety of Usenet, correct?

It's the predominant archive of USENET, but it's not the only one that respects
your X-No-Archive header. GMane, for example, will respect it if the list admin
has not requested otherwise.

--
Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had
an underlying truth."
-- Umberto Eco

 

[r]

What is "the archive", Google Groups?  You do realize that's not the
entirety of Usenet, correct?

Absolutely, but why do you wish to remove your post. Do you not stand
behind everything you say? I do, and if a make a mistake i will
apologize for it. I have no reason to hide my words from anybody. They
will be here from now to eternity.

This just makes your thoughts look more "drive-by-ish" to me. Thats
all.

 

[r]

Also, it is pretty hard to take such accusations seriously from someone
who themselves is using a generic gmail address w/o their real name
attached to it.  If I didn't care about using a proper NNTP client, I
could quite easily create some dufus account on Gmail and post through
that just like you did - I'm sure that'd really increase my credibility!

Would you trust my words more if i used a name like "Thurstan Howell
III".... Come on, don't tell me you are that shallow. To attack my
credibility solely based on my user name is the sport of small minded
people. Surely you can bring more thought, and intelligence to this
thread than that?...

 

[je.s.te.r]

It's the predominant archive of USENET, but it's not the only one that respe
your X-No-Archive header. GMane, for example, will respect it if the list ad
has not requested otherwise.

Actually, I take more issue with the archives that *don't* properly respect
a X-No-Archive (and they do exist). I was just replying to this person's
apparently belief that Google is Usenet (which is not uncommon)

 

[ajaksu]

Oh Steve... Listen, my words are ment as a wake-up-call to all who

r, can you do me a favor? Go read the archives of this newsgroup for a
month or two, then come back with some perspective. I hope that will
make your posts a little less nonsensical and annoying. My words are
'ment' as a shut-up-call, you make as much sense as jeff here:
http://www.python.org/doc/humor/#nolo-contendre

Daniel

P.S.: You think Steve 'one of those who love python'? Geez, he's the
one that made us weak in this war by sabotaging a major source of
revenue for Python! -> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2006/04/python-25-licensing-change.html

 

[je.s.te.r]

Would you trust my words more if i used a name like "Thurstan Howell
III".... Come on, don't tell me you are that shallow. To attack my
credibility solely based on my user name is the sport of small minded
people. Surely you can bring more thought, and intelligence to this
thread than that?...

I'm just saying that there's absolutely no more credibility attached
to some random & anonymous account than there is to someone due to
not having X-No-Archive. You are no more accountable for your words than
I am. So you might be throwing stones at my use of X-No-Archive, but
you are living in a glass house.

And for the record, the obfuscation of my email address and the use of
X-No-Archive has a lot more to do with random people being able to
track me via the internet than it does with believing/not believing what
I'm saying. If one wanted to put in some small bit of effort, it isn't
particularly difficult to track down usenet posts authored by me from
15ish years ago, but I raise the bar so that any random joker probably won't
bother (and making the reverse mapping - knowing my real identity and then
looking for recent net activity - is much more difficult to do).

 

[Joe Strout]

Also worthy of mention:
I've seen python pre-installed on consumer HP desktops (I think as
part of a backup/restore script, but I'm not sure)

It's pre-installed on every Mac (both desktop and laptop), too.

Cheers,
- Joe

 

[walterbyrd]

s/popular/hyped/

I'm not so sure. Go to dice.com, enter "ruby rails" no quotes, search
all words, job titles only - I got 86 hits, and another five hits when
I searched for "RoR."

Do the same search, but substitue "python django" for "ruby rails" and
I get 3 hits.

Doing the search for just "ruby" and I get 121 hits. Doing the search
for just "python" and I get 61 hits. Just "rails" and get 94 hits,
just "django" and I get 4 hits.

Not scientific, but there is substantial difference.

Fooled by version numbers ?

No, but I am giving django the benefit of the doubt. The django
project told people all along that django was not to be considered
production ready before 1.0. I will accept that some people decided to
wait until 1.0 came out to do any production development. Maybe django
is only lagging because 1.0 just came out?

My actual CTO is a big Ruby/Rails fan, yet he settled on Python/Django
for our current 'big' project. Wonder why ?

Not knowing much about RoR: yes, I wonder why? Is it because python
has a cleaner syntax? Or what?

 

[r]

It's pre-installed on every Mac (both desktop and laptop), too.

Cheers,
- Joe

I am using a Vista HP right now that came pre-installed with Python.
Blew my mind when i found out . This single reason just reinforced
my belief in Python. Now if we can get Python on every windows
platform...

 

[r]

I'm just saying that there's absolutely no more credibility attached
to some random & anonymous account than there is to someone due to
not having X-No-Archive.  You are no more accountable for your words than
I am.  So you might be throwing stones at my use of X-No-Archive, but
you are living in a glass house.

And for the record, the obfuscation of my email address and the use of
X-No-Archive has a lot more to do with random people being able to
track me via the internet than it does with believing/not believing what
I'm saying.  If one wanted to put in some small bit of effort, it isn't
particularly difficult to track down usenet posts authored by me from
15ish years ago, but I raise the bar so that any random joker probably won't
bother (and making the reverse mapping - knowing my real identity and then
looking for recent net activity - is much more difficult to do).

An exercise in thought...
To go a bit further, what if we could post a picture of ourselves on
the Usenet?? What would stop me from posting a picture of someone else
besides myself? NOTHING!

Do not put your trust in such weak beliefs. My name and picture mean
squat on a this medium. If you want to validate my intelligence, use
my words, not shallow assumptions. Your logic is like that fruitcake
my auntie makes every Christmas. Please put more thought into you
post.

My words are here and they will stay here, sure some may disagree with
my thoughts, but i will not be ashamed of them! Thats called having
"brass Cohones" mi hijo.

 

[r]

[Jeff]
but I raise the bar so that any random joker probably won't bother
(and making the reverse mapping - knowing my real identity and then
looking for recent net activity - is much more difficult to do)
[/Jeff]

You are the epitimy of an internet troll. A troll tries to hide his
identity. Why are you so concerned about your TRUE identity. Are the
FEDS after you, maybe it's the Martians i do not know? Did they take
into their spaceship and do things to you? Do you wear a aluminum foil
hat. Look out for those cell towers, there mind control devices
hahaha. Thanks for the good laugh.

 

[Aaron Brady]

Would you trust my words more if i used a name like "Thurstan Howell
III".... Come on, don't tell me you are that shallow. To attack my
credibility solely based on my user name is the sport of small minded
people. Surely you can bring more thought, and intelligence to this
thread than that?...

Us small-minded people have hopes and dreams just like anybody else,
Thurston.

 

[r]

Us small-minded people have hopes and dreams just like anybody else,
Thurston.

Now thats the kind of friendly banter this group could use. Instead of
people acting as if their bowel-movements smell like bakery fresh
cinnamon rolls!

 

[Steven D'Aprano]

I have read that python is the world's 3rd most popular language

Oh, well if it's written down it must be true.

But, I can't help but wonder how python's popularity was determined.

Why don't you ask the people who made the claim?