Re. Frame conversion to CSS

[JT]

I have now set about the task of converting my Frames site to CSS. I know
you have probably been asked this no end of times, but if I knew what it was
called I would do a search.

My present left frame contains the links to all my other pages and I want to
know how with CSS I can call what I'm calling a 'left frame' onto every page
without actually having to put it there in full.
So could someone tell me what is the correct word or words I would use to do
a search for this..

 

[Steve Pugh]

I have now set about the task of converting my Frames site to CSS. I know
you have probably been asked this no end of times, but if I knew what it was
called I would do a search.

My present left frame contains the links to all my other pages and I want to
know how with CSS I can call what I'm calling a 'left frame' onto every page
without actually having to put it there in full.

You can't. You should put it there in full on every page.

CSS is abourt presentation - it only has limited and poorly supported
capabilities for including content.

So could someone tell me what is the correct word or words I would use to do
a search for this..

Server Side Includes.
Preprocessing.
PHP.
ASP.
etc.
take your pick.

Steve

 

[Localnet]

Without quill or qualm, JT quothed:

I have now set about the task of converting my Frames site to CSS. I know
you have probably been asked this no end of times, but if I knew what it was
called I would do a search.

My present left frame contains the links to all my other pages and I want to
know how with CSS I can call what I'm calling a 'left frame' onto every page
without actually having to put it there in full.
So could someone tell me what is the correct word or words I would use to do
a search for this..

Frames are your friend. Css="Can't Stand Sanity".

 

[Paul F. Johnson]

Hi,

I have now set about the task of converting my Frames site to CSS. I know
you have probably been asked this no end of times, but if I knew what it was
called I would do a search.

Not to worry - I had to do this at work a few weeks back. Nice sort of
site, lots of frames, lots of bust stuff. Moved it to CSS and life was
happy again.

My present left frame contains the links to all my other pages and I want to
know how with CSS I can call what I'm calling a 'left frame' onto every page
without actually having to put it there in full.

Create yourself a couple of "blocks". One on the left, one on the right

#leftblock {
position: relative;
float: left;
width: 25%;
}

Next create on for the right

#rightblock {
float: left;
width: 75%;
}

Next, you have something like this

<div id="leftblock">
<!-- #include virtual="includes/something.shtml" -->
</div>

You can then place whatever you want instead of "something.shtml" in
there. For example

<div id="leftblock">
<!-- #include virtual="includes/something-else.shtml" -->
</div>

Could be on a page linked from the first page. The something-else.shtml
file can contains something completely different.

Nice and simple eh! You can link directly to the page and not need to
worry about where the framesets are and stuff like that.

TTFN

Paul

 

[Neal]

I have now set about the task of converting my Frames site to CSS. I
know
you have probably been asked this no end of times, but if I knew what it
was
called I would do a search.

My present left frame contains the links to all my other pages and I
want to
know how with CSS I can call what I'm calling a 'left frame' onto every
page
without actually having to put it there in full.
So could someone tell me what is the correct word or words I would use
to do
a search for this..

I'm in the process of designing a navigation for a site which does what
you are talking about. Basically, the navigation is positioned (you could
float too) in CSS to where I want it, and I use PHP to require a file to
be referenced. Or you could use SSI (Server Side Include).

The file could simply be a snippet of HTML which forms the navigation
list, with style handled in the CSS stylesheet. But what I'm doing is
making it a PHP script, where the item that points to the current page
unclickable and styled differently to highlight it. Also, depending on the
page, a separate context menu appears with more links related to the page
you're on. This can't be done with SSI.

One of the things frames users want that is hard in CSS is to have the
navigation stay put on the page as the page scrolls. It can be done with
position: fixed, but IE is lame and won't do it. It can degrade just fine,
though, on IE. But from what I've seen, users really don't need the menu
to be stuck on screen all the time in most situations anyway, so it's a
small loss.

I've peppered this with some great search terms, feel free to ask here
further (in addition to your own research).

 

[rf]

But what I'm doing is
making it a PHP script, where the item that points to the current page
unclickable and styled differently to highlight it.

What a clever idea. I wonder where you picked up that one

 

[JT]

JT wrote:
I have now set about the task of converting my Frames site to CSS. I know
you have probably been asked this no end of times, but if I knew what it was
called I would do a search.

.. Not to worry - I had to do this at work a few weeks back. Nice sort of
.. site, lots of frames, lots of bust stuff. Moved it to CSS and life was
.. happy again.

My present left frame contains the links to all my other pages and I want to
know how with CSS I can call what I'm calling a 'left frame' onto every page
without actually having to put it there in full.

.. Create yourself a couple of "blocks". One on the left, one on the right
. #leftblock {
.. position: relative;
.. float: left;
.. width: 25%;
.. }
..
.. Next create on for the right
.. #rightblock {
.. float: left;
.. width: 75%;
.. }
..
.. Next, you have something like this
.. <div id="leftblock">
.. <!-- #include virtual="includes/something.shtml" -->
.. </div>
..
.. You can then place whatever you want instead of "something.shtml" in
.. there. For example

</div>

..
.. Could be on a page linked from the first page. The something-else.shtml
.. file can contains something completely different.
.. Nice and simple eh! You can link directly to the page and not need to
.. worry about where the framesets are and stuff like that.
.. Paul

I fell at the first fence. http://www.btinternet.com/~meridklt/css/ where
did I go wrong in simple terms?
(I'm in the pre-novice category)

 

[Neal]

What a clever idea. I wonder where you picked up that one

Gee, I dunno. Couldn't be the helpful alt.php version of rf...

 

[Mark Parnell]

I fell at the first fence. http://www.btinternet.com/~meridklt/css/ where
did I go wrong in simple terms?

Your server is probably not set up to process SSI, or not on .htm
documents, anyway. Do you have access to a server-side language (PHP,
ASP, etc) at all?