Re: Seeking computer-programming job (Sunnyvale, CA)

[Lew]

Has Pascal gotten that much better at UI design since then (assuming the
had UIs)?

Portuguese is a better language than English.

 

[Lew]

You did? What was it, the bozo of the week award? Can I see it? Pretty
please?

No, now it will just make all your coworkers break out in hives when
your code is checked into the source code repository and a big
whirling red light and wailing Klaxon promptly pop out of panels on
the git server box to warn of an impending meltdown.

Not at all. This is done every days by lisp programmers and no such
thing occurs.

But they're just as obsolete. If nothing else, their user interfaces
will be woefully subpar by modern standards.

You are not the one to say whether they'd be obsolete or not, only
their users.

And corporations may have something else to do, and something else to
finance, than to pay java [sic] programmers to follow the fashion of the day
in GUI for their mission critical software.

Spelling counts.

 

[Lew]

Ignoring the spurious NIL here, have you forgotten a) Turing
completeness and b) java.math.BigInteger?

They have not.

 

[Lew]

Says someone who evidently has never heard of junit [sic].

Spelling counts.

 

[Lew]

It's an awfully good thing that Common Lisp didn't do that, then,
isn't it?

Sure is!

 

[Lew]

Says someone who evidently has never heard of junit [sic].

I know JUnit and regularly use it - for testing Java code. I'm not
aware of how JUnit could test fragments of XML.

My language is better!

No, *my* language is better!

Is not!

Is, too!

Nyaah, nyaah!

 

[Lew]

But it doesn't adhere to the Lisp restriction that macros respect
namespaces. Nor can you just redefine either standard functions or
standard macros.


C macros makes it easy to do things that are awful and useless, like
your example, and doing non-trivial useful things is usually very
difficult and very error-prone.

So both Lisp and Java are superior to C!

 

[Lew]

Oh, he was talking about my English. Ok, I might have made English
mistakes throughout the thread, I am not a native English speaker so
understand that writing things in English is not as intuitive and as
easy as it is to you, even though I am not bad in English. If you
think I am stupid just because my English is not as good as yours, you
don't have a point.

A) Your English is fine.
B) It's not that he thinks you're stupid because of your English, it's that
Series Expansion is a troll and a liar.
C) He doesn't have a point.
D) Neither does this thread.

 

[Lew]

You might want to explain this "lack of encapsulation barrier" stuff so
we can tell you specifically how wrong you are this time.

We'd prefer that neither of you do that.

 

[Lew]

We have priority on the terminology here.

How about you take "here" some place else?

 

[Lew]

ConteXt, before you flame me again for writing wrong English.

Hey, Guga, Series's sentence,was grammatically incorrect. He's in no position to judge you.

 

[Lew]

Because we're talking about lisp macros and they have nothing in common with C macros.

And neither has anything in common with Java. Hint, hint.

 

[Lew]

He meant that a C macro is so much different from a Lisp macro that,
to understand a Lisp macro, you need not to take any knowledge you
already have using C macros.

And none of this has anything to do with Java. Buh-bye.

 

[Lew]

It took you a long time to figure out that "Series Expansion" is a troll.
(And a liar, too.)

That would explain why his postings read like something out of those
"Top 10 Silly Myths About Lisp" articles.

Oh well. IHBT, IHL, et c.

This thread is boring.

 

[Lew]

I'll try a last time. You've been explained that the macro can and
will generate unique name, that in no way may be collided. This is
absolutely impossible.


And now for the "personal insult":

Go learn Common Lisp! Or even Scheme with its hygienic macros, you
might like them better than Common Lisp macros.

Man, that was weak, considering how much of a buffoon and liar "Series
Expansion" is. Every true personal statement you could make about him would
sound like an insult if applied to a normal person.

 

[Frank GOENNINGER]

Googling for Emacs and Slime, the first hit I got was this page:
<http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/>. The page is short and to the
point, and it begins with a description and feature highlights.

There is a screenshot of a window that seems to match Adlai's
description, more or less. A link to a long QuickTime movie is dead,

http://www.archive.org/download/UsingtheSLIMELispInteractionModeforEmacs/slime.mov

That's *the* Slime movie. Really recommended !

For a really entertaining way of seeing Lisp's power you should take the
few minutes to watch these video:

http://lispcast.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc

Start with Episode 1 and watch full screen. Watch them! Really. I mean:
WATCH THEM !

Frank

 

[Lew]

It's a text editor. A text editor won't know Lisp source from Java
source, or either from a letter to Grandma.

And you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground. You've proven nothing.

I am not trolling. Lispers fired the first shots in this little teapot-

Yes, you are, you liar.

tempest, and Lispers have already done a lot of complaining abou Java
here. We have responded in kind, some of us, while others have
attempted a more reasoned debate about the merits, to no avail.

Nothing in your diatribes suggests reason.

I don't know if anyone here is trolling,

Look in the mirror.

aside from the OP with his umpteenth joblessness whine, to be honest.

You, honest? That's a laugh!

 

[Lew]

Nobody's talking about a terminal-oriented editor. They're talking about
Emacs, which has been a window-based application since the mid-1980s.

Paul is infamous for this intentional misapprehension of emacs, among other
things.

Nobody's talking about a curses-based unix editor from the seventies.
They're talking about Emacs, which is a working modern GUI program with
multiple overlapping windows and menus.

Clearly "Series" is goading you by lying about emacs.

 

[Lew]

gugamilare wrote:

Series! Shut up! Go away! And close the door on your way out, boy!

Apparently you don't need drugs in order to mimic psychosis.

 

[Lew]

This is the thing: I am not in c.l.j.p, I am in comp.lang.lisp, where
these posts where originated and therefore where they belong. Someone
just moved them to c.l.j.p for whatever reason, but this was initially
a c.l.l post.

This whole thread was cross-posted to begin with. You are mistaken. It's
shown up in clj.programmer from before it devolved into a Lisp flamewar.