ShareWare vs Evaluation

[Dik T. Winter]

>
> Yes. For the same reason as they often re-post when all they get is BS
> answers. Effectively, BS answers are just line noise.
>
> It is the nature of Usenet that if you post something and get no
> response (or only BS responses), the post effecively "goes away" (since
> Usenet articles have short shelf lives). So, yes, you have to re-post.

So if someone posts a question to a newsgroup were by the very nature of
that newsgroup there is possibly no one who is able to answer the question,
he should keep on posting that question over and over again until he dies
of old age?

 

[James Kuyper]

Ah, those people prefer to get no reply at all?

Apparently he's referring to people who's self-respect is so tenuous
that they feel threatened by any message pointing out to them that they
have posted a question to the wrong newsgroup. Getting no answer at all
is apparently preferable to these people, then having their self-respect
diminished by having to be re-directed to a different group where they
could actually get a useful answer to their question.

I don't know any people that neurotic (or at least, anybody with that
particular neurosis), but Kenny apparently considers it commonplace, in
fact normal.

 

[James Kuyper]

I thought the discussion was about redirecting a question to a more
appropriate newsgroup? Such responses carry information that is far more
useful than line noise.

Kenny has indicated that he believes that some people would so ashamed
to learn that they've posted to the wrong newsgroup, that they would be
offended by any message which pointed out that fact; so seriously
offended that they would prefer not to receive such a response, even if
going to the right newsgroup would get them a much better answer, and
more quickly. I suppose that for such neurotic people, a useful response
(the kind that he labels BS) is worse than silence. However, I suspect
that such neurotic attitudes are far less common than he thinks they are.

 

[Keith Thompson]

There's a fine line between a troll and a palooka. I have no
problem handing out a few negative strokes while I work out which.

If you think "Kenny McCormack" is anything other than a pure troll,
you just haven't been paying attention.

 

[Keith Thompson]

I thought the discussion was about redirecting a question to a more
appropriate newsgroup? Such responses carry information that is far
more useful than line noise.

Kenny has indicated that he believes that some people would so ashamed
to learn that they've posted to the wrong newsgroup, that they would
be offended by any message which pointed out that fact; so seriously
offended that they would prefer not to receive such a response, even
if going to the right newsgroup would get them a much better answer,
and more quickly. I suppose that for such neurotic people, a useful
response (the kind that he labels BS) is worse than silence. However,
I suspect that such neurotic attitudes are far less common than he
thinks they are.

He doesn't really believe that. See
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.programmer/msg/a477f6fb47780d89>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
in which "Kenny" writes:

And, BTW, this is more of a comp.unix.shell question than a
comp.unix.programmer one.

 

[Antoninus Twink]

He doesn't really believe that. See
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.programmer/msg/a477f6fb47780d89>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

What a sad man you are. Do you have a box of index cards where all the
"slips" made by your favorite betes noires are painstakingly cataloged
for possible future use against them?

 

[Kenny McCormack]

What a sad man you are. Do you have a box of index cards where all the
"slips" made by your favorite betes noires are painstakingly cataloged
for possible future use against them?

Apparently so.

But I do have to say, I'm flattered to have my very own personal stalker.

 

[Nick Keighley]

Apparently he's referring to people who's self-respect is so tenuous
that they feel threatened by any message pointing out to them that they
have posted a question to the wrong newsgroup. Getting no answer at all
is apparently preferable to these people, then having their self-respect
diminished by having to be re-directed to a different group where they
could actually get a useful answer to their question.

I don't know any people that neurotic (or at least, anybody with that
particular neurosis), but Kenny apparently considers it commonplace, in
fact normal.

people who don't like being told (no matter how nicely) they are wrong
are in fact very common. Good techies are much less prone to this
neurosis
and managers much more so. You can be labelled as "negative" or "not
really
a team player" if you point out incorrect reasoning or facts too
frequently
(ie. more than zero times). It's another variant on cognitive
dissonance.

 

[James Kuyper]

people who don't like being told (no matter how nicely) they are wrong
are in fact very common.

I agree - I don't like to be wrong, and I dislike it even more when
someone else knows that I'm wrong, and I'm sure that such dislikes are
commonplace. However, I also prefer getting the correct answer to my
questions over not getting the correct answer, and that's more important
to me than the first issue. Are people who consider the second issue
less important as common as Kenny thinks they are?

 

[osmium]

I agree - I don't like to be wrong, and I dislike it even more when
someone else knows that I'm wrong, and I'm sure that such dislikes are
commonplace. However, I also prefer getting the correct answer to my
questions over not getting the correct answer, and that's more important
to me than the first issue. Are people who consider the second issue less
important as common as Kenny thinks they are?

I haven't been following this thread and don't know who the good guys are
and who the bad guys are.

BUT. In a thread discussing "shareware vs. evaluation" There IS NO correct
answer. There are only .... answers. Discussions of such things are just
that, discussions, and implying that there is a correct answer is a red
herring.

 

[Kenny McCormack]

I haven't been following this thread and don't know who the good guys are
and who the bad guys are.

I'm the good guy. Trust me on that.

BUT. In a thread discussing "shareware vs. evaluation" There IS NO correct
answer. There are only .... answers. Discussions of such things are just
that, discussions, and implying that there is a correct answer is a red
herring.

We're just having yet another go at the endless topicality war that is
the entirety of CLC (*).

(*) Well, that and prototyping main() and not casting the return value
of malloc().

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip ...

BUT. In a thread discussing "shareware vs. evaluation" There IS
NO correct answer. There are only .... answers. Discussions of
such things are just that, discussions, and implying that there
is a correct answer is a red herring.

Not quite. When pure disturbance trolls, such as McCormack and
Twink get involved, you know their contributions are pointless.

 

[Kenny McCormack]

Not quite. When pure disturbance trolls, such as McCormack and
Twink get involved, you know their contributions are pointless.

Oh.

The.

Irony...