simple class

Discussion in 'C++' started by nvangogh, May 9, 2014.

  1. nvangogh

    nvangogh Guest

    I am reading c++ primer.

    Exercise 7.4:
    Write a class named person that represents the name and address of a
    person. Use a string to hold each of these elements. Subsequent
    exercises will incrementally add features to this class.

    Exercise 7.5:
    Provide operations in your person class to return the name and address.
    Should these functions be const? Explain your choice.

    So I have completed exercise 7.5 in this way:

    // a class named person with operations

    #include <string>

    class Person
    std::string name() const { return first_name;}
    std::string addr() const { return address;}

    // data members
    std::string first_name;
    std::string address;

    Is this correct?
    nvangogh, May 9, 2014
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  2. nvangogh

    nvangogh Guest

    Also what would the constructors for this class look like?
    nvangogh, May 9, 2014
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  3. Consider "Subsequent exercises will incrementally add features...", and
    you might find out [later] how the class is to be used, which will
    suggest the interface for constructing objects of that class.

    The common approach is to provide a constructor that takes two
    arguments, each a ref to a const std::string, from which the respective
    data member shall be constructed.

    *Similar* to a point in two dimensions:

    class Point {
    Point(double x, double y) : mem_x(x), mem_y(y) {}

    (note that the Point c-tor's args are passed by value).

    Victor Bazarov, May 9, 2014
  4. nvangogh

    Osmium Guest

    I don't think so. The intent was to have the functions be public, the data
    be private. The default is private so an "outsider" can not use the

    As to the first name - I would use the full name. You might want to skim
    ahead and see where the author is going with this. First name sounds almost

    Note that "c++ primer" does not identify a book, you need the author's name
    Osmium, May 9, 2014
  5. ... { return name_; }
    ... { return address_; }

    Victor Bazarov, May 9, 2014
  6. nvangogh

    Stefan Ram Guest

    This is asking for static fields. Otherwise, the wording would
    have to be:

    »Write a class named person /whose instances/ represent
    the name and address ...«.

    It is a common error of beginners not to properly
    distinguish between classes and objects.
    What's an »operation«? Are there any differences to »function«?
    Stefan Ram, May 9, 2014
  7. nvangogh

    Osmium Guest

    The book author sounds like one of those nasty real world people. Probably
    has germs too ...
    Osmium, May 10, 2014
  8. I understand that the exercise was to write something similar to this,
    and that features will be added later, but I cannot help wondering
    what this class, which has a data member and an inspector function
    (and will probably also need a setter function) for each "property",
    buys over a simple struct:

    struct Person
    std::string name;
    std::string address;

    I see so many examples like this which I think are stupid, and I
    believe examples should be more realistic and interesting in terms
    of using language features for solving actual problems (e.g. using
    encapsulation facilities to enforce class invariants), not just
    for the sake of using the features.
    Seungbeom Kim, May 10, 2014
  9. nvangogh

    Jorgen Grahn Guest

    That's way too pedantic, IMO. The class exists so we can talk about
    these hundreds or millions of person objects as a group, and then it
    seems wasteful to pretend we can't talk about the class -- only about
    the set of instances of the class. The set of instances /is/ the

    I'm pleasantly surprised that the exercise uses the word "represents",
    i.e. starts by outlining the /meaning/ of the class. It's not obvious
    that a "person" is a name and address rather than a SSN and shoe size
    number, or 46 cromosomes, or whatever.
    I'm often annoyed and/or confused when people mix up that terminology
    (e.g. say "class" but really talk about a specific object) but this is
    not one of those cases.

    Jorgen Grahn, May 10, 2014
  10. Jorgen Grahn schreef op 10-May-14 2:52 PM:
    I totally agree. Some common sense is always required to read a text.

    On the other hand... I use a programming style where (templatized)
    classes are used to create (compile time) polymorphism. (No objects are
    ever created.) Is there a short way to express this? "this class
    represents a serial channel" could easily be misinterpred as "an
    instance of this class ... ".

    Wouter van Ooijen
    Wouter van Ooijen, May 10, 2014
  11. nvangogh

    Stefan Ram Guest

    In C++, the word »class« can never be interpreted as meaning
    »an instance of a class« by any reader sane in his mind.

    With the first iconsistent use of terminology, the chain is
    forged. The first speech crippled...the first thought
    mangled...the first expression denied - chains us all,
    Stefan Ram, May 10, 2014
  12. nvangogh

    Stefan Ram Guest

    In N3797, the word »struct« is used rarely in the English
    text, at one place »a struct type« is used. But, in the case
    of C++, what is most important is given in an appendix of
    N3797 (C1.2 3.3): »a struct is a class«.

    So, when someone speaks of »passing structs to functions«,
    this reminds me more of C than of C++. N1570 takes care to
    use the terms »structure type« and »structure object«
    instead of just »struct«.

    In colloquial speech some people indeed omit determinata,
    they say »My Internet is slow.« instead of »My Internet
    /connection/ is slow.« But when teaching to beginners and
    writing assignments, it is more safe to err on the side of
    Stefan Ram, May 10, 2014
  13. nvangogh

    Stefan Ram Guest

    Speech wants to be efficient. So when an isolated word is
    ambiguous, this can still be healed by context.

    When one says: »I am passing this struct to the function.«,
    does he mean »structure type« or »structure object«?
    A structure type cannot be passed to a function, so we can
    safely conclude that he must mean »structure object«.
    Thus, while »struct« is ambiguous in isolation, it is not
    ambiguous in the context just given.

    But now let's have a look at

    |Write a class named person that represents the name and
    |address of a person.

    . Is »class« »class type« or »class instance« here? In this
    case, both interpretations are possible. For example, we
    already know the class »::string« that represents
    information about the implementation used by providing us
    with /static/ fields such as »::string::npos«. Therefore, in
    this case, the context does not help to resolve the

    Also, one noun in a phrase cannot mean both »class« and
    »class instance« at the same time. The author writes

    |class named person

    . Here, he does not seem to want to say that a class
    /instance/ should be named »person«, but the class itself
    should be named »person«. Thus, by the use of this noun
    phrase, the meaning of the word »class« in this sentence is
    already determined by context and it cannot be read to have
    another meaning later.
    Stefan Ram, May 10, 2014
  14. nvangogh

    Stefan Ram Guest

    So, you read

    |Write a class named person


    |Write a class instance named person

    Stefan Ram, May 10, 2014
  15. nvangogh

    Osmium Guest

    It is always more better to write with a lot of clearness.
    Osmium, May 10, 2014
  16. nvangogh

    Stefan Ram Guest

    I doubt this.

    Say, we have a bank account with an interface:

    public: double getBalance();

    and a field:

    private: double balance;

    . Then, problems with »double« are observed, and the
    programmer of the account class is asked to change this.
    His first change is:

    private: ::example::library::fixeddecimal balance;

    . But the problems with double values are still being
    observed, because the interface still is:

    public: double getBalance();

    . So eventually, he is forced to change the interface too:

    public: ::example::library::fixeddecimal getBalance();

    . Now, where is the hiding of the implementation?
    Stefan Ram, May 11, 2014
  17. nvangogh

    Osmium Guest

    I agree, it would be nice to have more appealing examples but I have yet to
    see an example that was simple enough for a student and at the same time
    meaningful. Some things just have to be bought on faith.

    For those with some programming background but new to C++ I feel there is a
    sense of security when debugging. The constant thought in the back of your
    mind that someone (perhaps your own code) is munging your data. The chances
    of accidental munging in C++ are pretty remote; this means you can focus on
    the problem at hand.
    Osmium, May 11, 2014
  18. nvangogh

    Stefan Ram Guest

    But the effect is the same: all clients that want to benefit
    from the new implementation have to be changed. I used to
    believe that the promise of encapsulation was that the
    implementation can be changed without the clients having to
    be changed.
    Stefan Ram, May 11, 2014
  19. nvangogh

    Jorgen Grahn Guest

    That's the traditional argument for set/get functions.

    But let's face it: in 99 cases out of 100 you're in control over the
    client code. Then if you can no longer expose the member, you just
    make it private, implement get() and fix up the calling code (which
    now fails to compile).

    Jorgen Grahn, May 11, 2014
  20. nvangogh

    Jorgen Grahn Guest

    It's not hard.

    All that's needed here is an example where there's a relationship
    between the members. Stroustrup picked (in TC++PL) a Date class with
    year, month and day-of-month. Then you eventually want to prevent
    things like the 31th of February year 0, and there's suddenly a real
    reason to have more than just a boring struct.

    Jorgen Grahn, May 11, 2014
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