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== Proposal from Edward G. Nilges 7 Sep 2009 ==
The vandalism of Schildt continues. I propose that the following text
be added to the discussion of the controversy. I shall also post this
for discussion at comp.lang.c and submit it to comp.lang.c.moderated.
Other commentators, however, have found that Seebach's and Feather's
objections to Schildt's work result from their POV which is that of
self-serving "language lawyers" concerned less with clear explanation
to working programmers and more with being "right all the time, even
when it's undefined" in the words of one wag. For example, Schildt
describes how things work in terms of the most common features of C
runtimes, features that are not part of "the language". This is an
excellent way to help programmers, typically men and women who want a
"shirtsleeves" POV and to understand how things work, only to have
Seebach condemn him, in a spirit with a nasty overtone of religious
fundamentalism (made merely nastier by the secular, sordid and
pecuniary goals of programming language standardization in service to
corporations) for daring to speak of such Eleusinian mysteries as the
"stack"...which looks backwards to an era when programmers in
corporations were admonished or terminated for excess curiosity.
It is widely believed today that C99 as a standardization effort
failed rather miserably. The reason, according to some, is that it was
less concerned with the needs of working programmers, and more
concerned with spending public monies (in the spirit of the Bush-
Clinton years of privatization) on protecting corporate profits, here
making as many compilers as possible "work" by leaving common sense
functionality "undefined", so that compiler developers could be shed
by compiler development and other corporations, and their investment
protected. There was no interest outside Open Source in making
correct, much less excellent, C compilers in 1999, C compilers having
become commodities, and there was no fiduciary reason for companies to
fix compilers to conform to a more precise standard: therefore, the
standard was made as undefined (not a standard, in other words) as
possible in a giveaway to corporations which looked forward to the
monies handed over to banks in 2008.
It appears to many of us that Schildt was a sacrificial lamb, a
representative of an individual knower, and of the type of
knowledgeable programmer who (like Carthage) had to be destroyed, for
his knowledge is now the private property of corporations, to be
preserved or destroyed at will. In all of this, the public interest
was unmentioned, and the public was damned, not only by corporations
but also by people corrupt enough to work, nor for the wretched of the
earth, but for Moloch itself: the corporation.
Seebach and Feather have not only gone after Schildt. They also
continue to savage professional reputations whenever their standard is
questioned. This despite the fact that the standard destroyed the very
ability to teach C save in the most cautious, and fundamentalist way,
such that "professors" today are well advised to be *imams* in
*madrassahs* teaching *taliban*. In a sense this is an insult to Islam
for the *imams* giving *fatwas* are concerned with the highest things,
whereas the new prophets of C are concerned with the lowest and most
sordid things.
Edward G. Nilges, Hong Kong 7 Sep 2009
The vandalism of Schildt continues. I propose that the following text
be added to the discussion of the controversy. I shall also post this
for discussion at comp.lang.c and submit it to comp.lang.c.moderated.
Other commentators, however, have found that Seebach's and Feather's
objections to Schildt's work result from their POV which is that of
self-serving "language lawyers" concerned less with clear explanation
to working programmers and more with being "right all the time, even
when it's undefined" in the words of one wag. For example, Schildt
describes how things work in terms of the most common features of C
runtimes, features that are not part of "the language". This is an
excellent way to help programmers, typically men and women who want a
"shirtsleeves" POV and to understand how things work, only to have
Seebach condemn him, in a spirit with a nasty overtone of religious
fundamentalism (made merely nastier by the secular, sordid and
pecuniary goals of programming language standardization in service to
corporations) for daring to speak of such Eleusinian mysteries as the
"stack"...which looks backwards to an era when programmers in
corporations were admonished or terminated for excess curiosity.
It is widely believed today that C99 as a standardization effort
failed rather miserably. The reason, according to some, is that it was
less concerned with the needs of working programmers, and more
concerned with spending public monies (in the spirit of the Bush-
Clinton years of privatization) on protecting corporate profits, here
making as many compilers as possible "work" by leaving common sense
functionality "undefined", so that compiler developers could be shed
by compiler development and other corporations, and their investment
protected. There was no interest outside Open Source in making
correct, much less excellent, C compilers in 1999, C compilers having
become commodities, and there was no fiduciary reason for companies to
fix compilers to conform to a more precise standard: therefore, the
standard was made as undefined (not a standard, in other words) as
possible in a giveaway to corporations which looked forward to the
monies handed over to banks in 2008.
It appears to many of us that Schildt was a sacrificial lamb, a
representative of an individual knower, and of the type of
knowledgeable programmer who (like Carthage) had to be destroyed, for
his knowledge is now the private property of corporations, to be
preserved or destroyed at will. In all of this, the public interest
was unmentioned, and the public was damned, not only by corporations
but also by people corrupt enough to work, nor for the wretched of the
earth, but for Moloch itself: the corporation.
Seebach and Feather have not only gone after Schildt. They also
continue to savage professional reputations whenever their standard is
questioned. This despite the fact that the standard destroyed the very
ability to teach C save in the most cautious, and fundamentalist way,
such that "professors" today are well advised to be *imams* in
*madrassahs* teaching *taliban*. In a sense this is an insult to Islam
for the *imams* giving *fatwas* are concerned with the highest things,
whereas the new prophets of C are concerned with the lowest and most
sordid things.
Edward G. Nilges, Hong Kong 7 Sep 2009