Job Vacancy RoR

Discussion in 'Ruby' started by stephen@chancellor.com, Feb 1, 2006.

  1. Guest

    I am part of a small Agency that supplies contractors to clients. A
    fairly new client in San Francisco (SOMA), needs an experienced (at
    least one complete commercial project) Ruby on Rails Software Engineer.


    Additionally, they are using open source development environment,
    Linux, Apache, MySQL and Perl / PHP.

    This is a contract position for 3 to 6 months. You need to be onsite
    and will be part of a development Team. Must be eligible to work in
    USA, and for this particular contract must be local to San Francisco
    Bay Area.

    Please refer this to anyone that you know who is not a member and may
    not see it.

    Also, we are very interested in new clients in need of RoR developers.
    This is an exciting area and there are opportunities for everyone.

    Please contact me by e-mail (Stephen AT chancellor DOT com) or call
    Anthony at 415-332-0123.

    Thank you, Stephen
     
    , Feb 1, 2006
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  2. Guest

    Please use sites like monster or dice if you wish to post jobs. Some have been
    made in the past, but are usually from the originators of the people who want
    to make the actual hire.

    Tsume

    On Thursday 02 February 2006 08:18 am, wrote:
    > I am part of a small Agency that supplies contractors to clients. A
    > fairly new client in San Francisco (SOMA), needs an experienced (at
    > least one complete commercial project) Ruby on Rails Software Engineer.
    >
    >
    > Additionally, they are using open source development environment,
    > Linux, Apache, MySQL and Perl / PHP.
    >
    > This is a contract position for 3 to 6 months. You need to be onsite
    > and will be part of a development Team. Must be eligible to work in
    > USA, and for this particular contract must be local to San Francisco
    > Bay Area.
    >
    > Please refer this to anyone that you know who is not a member and may
    > not see it.
    >
    > Also, we are very interested in new clients in need of RoR developers.
    > This is an exciting area and there are opportunities for everyone.
    >
    > Please contact me by e-mail (Stephen AT chancellor DOT com) or call
    > Anthony at 415-332-0123.
    >
    > Thank you, Stephen
     
    , Feb 2, 2006
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  3. Eric Hodel Guest

    Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    On Feb 1, 2006, at 5:16 PM, wrote:

    > Please use sites like monster or dice if you wish to post jobs.
    > Some have been
    > made in the past, but are usually from the originators of the
    > people who want
    > to make the actual hire.


    To be honest, I'd rather see Ruby job postings mentioned here, even
    if from recruiters, than random places on the intarweb. This allows
    rubyists to be connected to people who want to employ them, which can
    only be good for all rubyists.

    Also, you're the first I've seen complain.

    --
    Eric Hodel - - http://segment7.net
    This implementation is HODEL-HASH-9600 compliant

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    Eric Hodel, Feb 2, 2006
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  4. chiaro scuro Guest

    Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

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    On 2/2/06, Eric Hodel <> wrote:

    > To be honest, I'd rather see Ruby job postings mentioned here, even
    > if from recruiters, than random places on the intarweb. This allows
    > rubyists to be connected to people who want to employ them, which can
    > only be good for all rubyists.
    >
    > Also, you're the first I've seen complain.



    Totally agree with Eric. Job postings also give a feeling of the effect of
    the community on the larger world

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    chiaro scuro, Feb 3, 2006
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  5. James Britt Guest

    Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    Eric Hodel wrote:
    > On Feb 1, 2006, at 5:16 PM, wrote:
    >
    >> Please use sites like monster or dice if you wish to post jobs. Some
    >> have been
    >> made in the past, but are usually from the originators of the people
    >> who want
    >> to make the actual hire.

    >
    >
    > To be honest, I'd rather see Ruby job postings mentioned here, even if
    > from recruiters, than random places on the intarweb. This allows
    > rubyists to be connected to people who want to employ them, which can
    > only be good for all rubyists.


    I'm somewhat mixed, but it hasn't been a problem (and it seems like one
    of those problems that are good to have).

    If the recruiters are sincere, then feedback from the Ruby community can
    help both them and job seekers by encouraging job descriptions that are
    meaningful and accurate.



    --
    James Britt

    http://www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation
    http://www.artima.com/rubycs/ - The Journal By & For Rubyists
    http://www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff
    http://www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys
    http://www.30secondrule.com - Building Better Tools
     
    James Britt, Feb 3, 2006
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  6. Phil Tomson Guest

    Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    In article <>,
    Eric Hodel <> wrote:
    >On Feb 1, 2006, at 5:16 PM, wrote:
    >
    >> Please use sites like monster or dice if you wish to post jobs.
    >> Some have been
    >> made in the past, but are usually from the originators of the
    >> people who want
    >> to make the actual hire.

    >
    >To be honest, I'd rather see Ruby job postings mentioned here, even
    >if from recruiters, than random places on the intarweb. This allows
    >rubyists to be connected to people who want to employ them, which can
    >only be good for all rubyists.
    >
    >Also, you're the first I've seen complain.
    >


    I tend to agree with Eric, though I would hope that it's hiring managers or
    people directly involved in development who are posting here as opposed to head
    hunters.

    Phil
     
    Phil Tomson, Feb 3, 2006
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  7. ChrisH Guest

    ChrisH, Feb 3, 2006
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  8. Guest

    Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    On Friday 03 February 2006 05:23 am, Eric Hodel wrote:
    > On Feb 1, 2006, at 5:16 PM, wrote:
    > > Please use sites like monster or dice if you wish to post jobs.
    > > Some have been
    > > made in the past, but are usually from the originators of the
    > > people who want
    > > to make the actual hire.

    >
    > To be honest, I'd rather see Ruby job postings mentioned here, even
    > if from recruiters, than random places on the intarweb. This allows
    > rubyists to be connected to people who want to employ them, which can
    > only be good for all rubyists.
    >
    > Also, you're the first I've seen complain.

    I'm just thinking ahead. I know ruby is still considered young, but once any
    other type of jobs come in, I don't want to receive 10 emails a day on a list
    from head hunters.

    Also, I thought the email was spam like the idiot who kept trying to place
    head hunter listings on craig's list.. I wouldn't mind the jobs coming from
    the originators of the job, but head hunters are a negative on my list.

    Tsume
     
    , Feb 3, 2006
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  9. Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    On 3 Feb 2006, at 22:13, wrote:

    > Also, I thought the email was spam like the idiot who kept trying
    > to place
    > head hunter listings on craig's list.. I wouldn't mind the jobs
    > coming from
    > the originators of the job, but head hunters are a negative on my
    > list.


    OT: I once came up with a business plan where a recruitment agency/
    headhunting firm would be staffed entirely by techs working in the
    industry checking out other people's CV's and work part-time and then
    when a job came in from a firm they would be able to say "Hey, I know
    this guy over at such-and-such who would be perfect, let me ask if
    he's around..." and would pick up a fee, a la agencies.

    That way, you'd get firms knowing they can trust the people coming
    forward because they are peer-reviewed, and recruitment agencies
    would not be filled with people who think UNIX are men without
    testicles.

    Anyway, I look for work constantly and am happy going to the websites
    - I think this place should be somewhere to hide out and talk
    programming, not somewhere I have to be on best behaviour.

    P.S. if anybody is looking for a Ruby and/or Rails coder in the North
    West of England, or in fact any European city I can get to, I have a
    gap in my schedule coming up... :)

    --
    Paul Robinson
     
    Paul Robinson, Feb 3, 2006
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  10. Eric Hodel Guest

    Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    On Feb 3, 2006, at 2:13 PM, wrote:
    > On Friday 03 February 2006 05:23 am, Eric Hodel wrote:
    >> On Feb 1, 2006, at 5:16 PM, wrote:
    >>> Please use sites like monster or dice if you wish to post jobs.
    >>> Some have been made in the past, but are usually from the
    >>> originators of the people who want to make the actual hire.

    >>
    >> To be honest, I'd rather see Ruby job postings mentioned here, even
    >> if from recruiters, than random places on the intarweb. This allows
    >> rubyists to be connected to people who want to employ them, which can
    >> only be good for all rubyists.
    >>
    >> Also, you're the first I've seen complain.

    > I'm just thinking ahead. I know ruby is still considered young, but
    > once any
    > other type of jobs come in, I don't want to receive 10 emails a day
    > on a list
    > from head hunters.


    I think this was the first, maybe second, job posting of the month.
    While it would be wonderful, you're not going to get 10 job postings
    a day any time soon. I'm sure the list will find an appropriate
    solution when job posting overload becomes a real problem.

    --
    Eric Hodel - - http://segment7.net
    This implementation is HODEL-HASH-9600 compliant

    http://trackmap.robotcoop.com
     
    Eric Hodel, Feb 3, 2006
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  11. Guest

    Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    On Saturday 04 February 2006 08:30 am, Paul Robinson wrote:
    > OT: I once came up with a business plan where a recruitment agency/
    > headhunting firm would be staffed entirely by techs working in the
    > industry checking out other people's CV's and work part-time and then
    > when a job came in from a firm they would be able to say "Hey, I know
    > this guy over at such-and-such who would be perfect, let me ask if
    > he's around..." and would pick up a fee, a la agencies.
    >
    > That way, you'd get firms knowing they can trust the people coming
    > forward because they are peer-reviewed, and recruitment agencies
    > would not be filled with people who think UNIX are men without
    > testicles.


    I'd seriously like this to be the other way around. Head hunters which are
    programmer peer reviewed! :)

    >
    > Anyway, I look for work constantly and am happy going to the websites
    > - I think this place should be somewhere to hide out and talk
    > programming, not somewhere I have to be on best behaviour.


    I've never had to look/apply for a job, but I suppose other people work
    differently.

    >
    > P.S. if anybody is looking for a Ruby and/or Rails coder in the North
    > West of England, or in fact any European city I can get to, I have a
    > gap in my schedule coming up... :)
    >


    I don't have a problem with personal requests, but when commercial like
    content starts floating to a list, I think..

    "*running on horse* The capitalists are coming!"

    When this happens, he means a place is no longer a heaven where programmers
    can just talk about ruby, but need to be bothered by the "norms" ;)

    Tsume
     
    , Feb 4, 2006
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  12. Guest

    Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    On Saturday 04 February 2006 08:58 am, Eric Hodel wrote:
    > I think this was the first, maybe second, job posting of the month.
    > While it would be wonderful, you're not going to get 10 job postings
    > a day any time soon. I'm sure the list will find an appropriate
    > solution when job posting overload becomes a real problem.


    Not exactly like I can filter or redirect job mail to another box. The job
    posting count for last month is 4 from a subject grep. Only 2 of them used
    the proper subject line for a [JOB]. 1 for this month as far as I can see. I
    don't give it much more time before it really starts booming, even though the
    IRC channels are not increasing anymore, there are the people who join on to
    a... .... .... craze just for the money, there are some people who actually
    do use ruby for the religion side of the language *cough* I mean the
    scientific side of the language.

    Tsume
     
    , Feb 4, 2006
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  13. Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    On 4 Feb 2006, at 00:07, wrote:

    > I'd seriously like this to be the other way around. Head hunters
    > which are
    > programmer peer reviewed! :)


    None Shall Pass. Seriously, they really don't get the work we do.
    Programmers should headhunt other programmers - it's the only way it
    can work. Sure, HR can make sure the guy/gal is able to dress himself
    (if it's that kind of boring place where they require people to be
    dressed), but the core skills just can't be grasped by RC/headhunter-
    types if you ask me.

    > I've never had to look/apply for a job, but I suppose other people
    > work
    > differently.


    You're either very young, very rich, very poor and don't mind or very
    lucky. :)

    I'd like not to have to look/apply for work. How'd you do it?

    > I don't have a problem with personal requests, but when commercial
    > like
    > content starts floating to a list, I think..
    >
    > "*running on horse* The capitalists are coming!"


    I'm British you know. And Capitalist(*). If I weren't such a nice
    chap, I'd think you were mocking me. :)

    At the end of the day, we only get to write as much code as we do,
    because somebody somewhere is prepared to give us the money we need
    for food/shelter to write that code. I'd rather do this for a living
    than, say, have to be an accountant or a management consultant. As a
    short-term contract freelancer, I am looking for work *CONSTANTLY*.
    Apart from the Summer when I like to try and spend my time staring at
    clouds. But during the Winter, I am a code-whore, through and through.

    Plus you're assuming all of us are in it just for the money - when
    I'm earning, a substantial piece of my income goes to good causes.

    > When this happens, he means a place is no longer a heaven where
    > programmers
    > can just talk about ruby, but need to be bothered by the "norms" ;)


    Point taken. Like I said, I'm happy keeping my commercial discussions
    away from here, and think others can be encouraged to do the same. As
    long as we all know where those discussions are, which I believe
    includes http://jobs.rubynow.com/

    (*) I was once described as a Trotsky entry-ist, but he was drunk and
    I was beating him at cards...

    --
    Paul Robinson
     
    Paul Robinson, Feb 4, 2006
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  14. Guest

    Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    On Saturday 04 February 2006 09:37 am, Paul Robinson wrote:
    > On 4 Feb 2006, at 00:07, wrote:
    > > I'd seriously like this to be the other way around. Head hunters
    > > which are
    > > programmer peer reviewed! :)

    >
    > None Shall Pass. Seriously, they really don't get the work we do.
    > Programmers should headhunt other programmers - it's the only way it
    > can work. Sure, HR can make sure the guy/gal is able to dress himself
    > (if it's that kind of boring place where they require people to be
    > dressed), but the core skills just can't be grasped by RC/headhunter-
    > types if you ask me.
    >


    Then again, are most of those headhunter places even technologically orient=
    ed?=20
    =46rom what I've seen, and from what people accept, they only look at the=20
    qualifications and ship you out the the real employer. very insulting,=20
    especially when you get some certified person who just went to the technica=
    l=20
    school down the block. I'll always remember this when I was younger. I used=
    =20
    to work at a teenager facility. I was only 14 then, but they had a 34~ guy=
    =20
    come in and help me with the computer which were donated. I immediately=20
    started to type `format /q /s` to start setting up the computers from the=20
    boot CDs. He was automatically lost on how I was beating him at setup. I to=
    ld=20
    him the switch and he said, "They never taught us that". I told him in a no=
    n=20
    arrogant way.. even though I told him nicely, and don't mind being around=20
    people like so, I'll never hire/contract/get service from anyone who isn't=
    =20
    checked out by me. The one problem being one of many which I've been=20
    conflicted with when having to deal with people who aren't devoted and just=
    =20
    do it for the money.

    You suffer from time loss. Time is money according to the people paying yo=
    u.=20
    I certainly don't like people wasting time when they're being paid by me ea=
    ch=20
    hour. I've similar feeling about the customers I serve, and help them with=
    =20
    their employees, because the boss is the one who picks up on the time. Of=20
    course, this is where managers are a good thing. Managers have a very good=
    =20
    reason to being the asshole they're looked at to be, only because of the=20
    asshole getting paid is playing solitaire instead of working.

    > > I've never had to look/apply for a job, but I suppose other people
    > > work
    > > differently.

    >
    > You're either very young, very rich, very poor and don't mind or very
    > lucky. :)
    >
    > I'd like not to have to look/apply for work. How'd you do it?
    >


    I've too many friends in various professions who just know me well. I perfo=
    rm=20
    various tasks. I'm an extroverted nerd and proud of it.

    I receive jobs which need for example, Outlook Express set up for email, or=
    =20
    even a phone system reconfigured. Phone technician work is another mastered=
    =20
    skill I've accomplished. I'll take and charge what I feel. I did charge one=
    =20
    customer 75/USD for JUST Outlook Express setup with the internet service=20
    provider(minimum: 1 hour). Business is business, and I don't sell myself=20
    short. Yeah yeah.. others online who I tell think, "bastard" or "this guy=20
    rips people off".. I've been on the computer since I was 2, people are payi=
    ng=20
    for my life experience. Usually people on IRC are immature anyway :p so why=
    =20
    take them seriously, I just go on to trade information.

    > > I don't have a problem with personal requests, but when commercial
    > > like
    > > content starts floating to a list, I think..
    > >
    > > "*running on horse* The capitalists are coming!"

    >
    > I'm British you know. And Capitalist(*). If I weren't such a nice
    > chap, I'd think you were mocking me. :)


    Opps :)

    >
    > At the end of the day, we only get to write as much code as we do,
    > because somebody somewhere is prepared to give us the money we need
    > for food/shelter to write that code. I'd rather do this for a living
    > than, say, have to be an accountant or a management consultant. As a
    > short-term contract freelancer, I am looking for work *CONSTANTLY*.
    > Apart from the Summer when I like to try and spend my time staring at
    > clouds. But during the Winter, I am a code-whore, through and through.


    Well, I keep writing and deleting the text I type... so I'll just say=20
    different positions have different salaries.

    >
    > Plus you're assuming all of us are in it just for the money - when
    > I'm earning, a substantial piece of my income goes to good causes.
    >
    > > When this happens, he means a place is no longer a heaven where
    > > programmers
    > > can just talk about ruby, but need to be bothered by the "norms" ;)

    >
    > Point taken. Like I said, I'm happy keeping my commercial discussions
    > away from here, and think others can be encouraged to do the same. As
    > long as we all know where those discussions are, which I believe
    > includes http://jobs.rubynow.com/
    >
    > (*) I was once described as a Trotsky entry-ist, but he was drunk and
    > I was beating him at cards...


    What I wouldn't mind is a monthly or bi-weekly job email on the list from o=
    ne=20
    of those sites for Ruby jobs. I just don't like to see emails in my box for=
    =20
    jobs. I recently started to receive emails from d1(really an i)ce.com about=
    =20
    "Does your job suck?".. I just laugh. I do know how others think, but the=20
    email sounds so hilarious. I just couldn't bare myself to live in a=20
    crackerbox, yet find lack of a large city inconvenient to shop for items.=20
    Also being in Alaska the outrageous shipping, but theres a reason I charge=
    =20
    back the cost to people.

    All I can say for now..

    Tsume
     
    , Feb 7, 2006
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  15. Guest

    [OT] Re: Job postings? Please! (Was: Re: Job Vacancy RoR)

    On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 wrote:

    > Also being in Alaska the outrageous shipping, but theres a reason I charge
    > back the cost to people.


    what part? i'm a fourth generation alaskan - but in boulder, colorado now.

    regards.

    -a

    --
    happiness is not something ready-made. it comes from your own actions.
    - h.h. the 14th dali lama
     
    , Feb 7, 2006
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