Multiple Pop-up Windows

[Uncle Pirate]

I also have Mozilla v1.5, which effectively blocks ad popups from sites. I like that
feature. However, it does allow popups that I click on. That seems like a logical
solution...as the first kind of popup is intrusive and annoying, but the second kind
is voluntary. I don't see the conflict.

Is it voluntary? Do you have text next to the link warning users that
clicking on the link will open a new window?

I prefer to do my browsing using *ONE* window. The Back button isn't
that far away (usually, it's closer than the close button on a new
window). I know how to open a new window if I want one. I don't need
anyone making that decision for me.

Thank you for giving the URL to your pop-up laden site. I'll be sure to
avoid it.

--
Stan McCann "Uncle Pirate" http://stanmccann.us/pirate.html
Webmaster/Computer Center Manager, NMSU at Alamogordo
Cooordinator, Tularosa Basin Chapter, ABATE of NM; AMA#758681; COBB
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) http://motorcyclefun.org/Dcp_2068c.jpg
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein

 

[Scott]

Is it voluntary? Do you have text next to the link warning users that
clicking on the link will open a new window?

I prefer to do my browsing using *ONE* window. The Back button isn't
that far away (usually, it's closer than the close button on a new
window). I know how to open a new window if I want one. I don't need
anyone making that decision for me.

Thank you for giving the URL to your pop-up laden site. I'll be sure to
avoid it.

Uncle Pirate,

As a matter of fact, the Close button on the pop-up window is closer than the Back
button. Also, I don't think that 3 popups on a very large website (over 100 pages)
qualifies as a "pop-up laden" site...but everyone's entitled to their opinion.

By the way, the page with the pop-ups in question is a memorial dedicated to the
loss of dear friend, so I don't think your snide remarks about avoiding my site are
very appropriate.

Anyway, your family pictures are excellent. Thanks for the link to the Album program.
I might try it.

Scott

 

[Mark Parnell]

Sorry about that. It's fixedt now at 78 characters.

Well, I can't tell that from this post since no line is long enough to
wrap, but I believe you.

Now if we can just fix your top-posting problem... ;-)

 

[Mark Parnell]

Previously in alt.html, Jan Faerber

Michael Winter wrote:

Is it possible to make something like this?...:

<snip>

No he didn't.

 

[Barbara de Zoete]

As a matter of fact, the Close button on the pop-up window is closer
than the Back button.

No, it isn't. For the back button I use backspace on my keyboard and that
is way more easy than the small [x] in the upper left corner of the
browser chrome.

Also, I don't think that 3 popups on a very large website (over 100
pages) qualifies as a "pop-up laden" site...

That was perhaps a bid over sensitive, but remains:
Does your visitor know that clicking a link will call a pop-up. If not,
that is not a good idea.
And, as said, it is not hard to open a page in a new window (or tab,
depending on which browser is used). It is harder for a visitor avoid that
if the author decides on a popup.

By the way, the page with the pop-ups in question is a memorial
dedicated to the
loss of dear friend, so I don't think your snide remarks about avoiding
my site are
very appropriate.

No, that's not fair to do. You shouldn't put up the content of your site
as any excuse or line of defence. How would that friend have liked you to
use the loss as a defence for something silly as feeling insulted on
usenet (of all places)? Really, think again.
Many a times pages and sites come by and get discussed without anyone
understanding the content because of language differences. Don't do that
again, please.

 

[Duende]

While sitting in a puddle Barbara de Zoete scribbled in the mud:

for something silly as feeling insulted on
usenet (of all places)? Really, think again.

:^/

 

[Scott]

Jan,

Thank you! That worked for me.

Scott

You can use:

<a href="http://www.abc.de" target="popup"
onClick="window.open('http://www.abc.de', 'popup',
'height=300,width=300,resizable=yes,scrollbars=yes,location=yes'); return


<html><head><title>I am the third popup</title>
</head><body onLoad="window.resizeTo(300,300)">

 

[Scott]

You can use:

<a href="http://www.abc.de" target="popup"
onClick="window.open('http://www.abc.de', 'popup',
'height=300,width=300,resizable=yes,scrollbars=yes,location=yes'); return


<html><head><title>I am the third popup</title>
</head><body onLoad="window.resizeTo(300,300)">

Jan,

Thank you! That worked for me.

Scott

 

[Scott]

On the same page, I have a pop-up window that's activated when you hit the Send Button:

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
<!--
function newscreen() {

window.open("don-com.html","main","width=470,height=240,history=yes,resizable=no,status=no,scrollbars=no,
menubar=no")
// window.open("index.html", "_self")
}
// -->
</SCRIPT>

On Send button: <INPUT TYPE=submit value="Send It" onClick="newscreen()">

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Elsewhere on the page is a pop-up window activated when clicking on a link:

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
function openWindow(url, name) {
popupWin = window.open(url, name,
"width=550,height=675,history=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,scrollbars=yes, menubar=no");
}
</SCRIPT>

On the link: <A HREF="javascriptpenWindow('sound.html','Win' )">

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Both scripts works fine together.

Now I want to add a third pop-up window to be activated by clicking on a different link. If I
use the
second script above and point it to a different url (carol.htm), I am stuck using width=550
and height=675,
which is to large for this window.

Is there a script that will give this third pop-up windows it's own dimensions?

Thanks!
Scott

To everyone in this thread, I want to let you know that I went ahead and designed a
pop-up that resizes (http://www.uslink.net/~golden/don1.html ... Message From Carol
Lawson), because that's what I envisioned in the first place.

However, I want everyone to know that after reading all of your comments, I now have
a new understanding of what people expect when they visit a website. You can
be sure that I will incorporate your viewpoints into my web design in the future. I now
see that pop-ups should be used sparingly, if at all.

Thank you all for your input!

Scott

 

[tm]

To everyone in this thread, I want to let you know that I went ahead and
designed a
pop-up that resizes (http://www.uslink.net/~golden/don1.html ... Message From
Carol
Lawson), because that's what I envisioned in the first place.

Don't try to control me. What makes you think i wanted that pop-up?
With my computer turned off i wouldn't have seen it.

 

[rf]

Scott wrote

To everyone in this thread, I want to let you know that I went ahead and designed a
pop-up that resizes (http://www.uslink.net/~golden/don1.html ... Message From Carol
Lawson), because that's what I envisioned in the first place.

I see no reason at all for putting that information on a seperate page, even
a popup page.

Why make me go through hoops to read the entire site? Just include the
message within the body of the existing page. It's not *much* information.
Put it inside a box if you wish.

Use the page yourself, as if you are a new viewer. You have a sensitive
subject, you are reading through the copy and suddenly you come to a link.
This requires concentration, first to click the link and then to re-focus on
the new information. Your poup has just broken my concentration. I no longer
have the focus on the subject matter at hand but rather on negotiating a new
window. It's disruptive.

In addition, this looks like it may be the first of many such links. It
would really annoy me to have to click/read/close each "message" that you
may put there. Think blog: you don't have to do that with a blog.

I really think you have that popup there simply because you can, not because
it enhances the page in any way.

 

[jake]

Don't try to control me. What makes you think i wanted that pop-up?
With my computer turned off i wouldn't have seen it.

With your computer turned off, you wouldn't have seen anything.

regards.

 

[Uncle Pirate]

As a matter of fact, the Close button on the pop-up window is closer than the Back
button. Also, I don't think that 3 popups on a very large website (over 100 pages)
qualifies as a "pop-up laden" site...but everyone's entitled to their opinion.

One is too many for me.

By the way, the page with the pop-ups in question is a memorial dedicated to the
loss of dear friend, so I don't think your snide remarks about avoiding my site are
very appropriate.

Not snide, just honest. I visit sites with
popups/java/javascript/cookies only unintentionally or if I really have
a need/desire for what's there like doing business on eBay/PayPal or
visiting the registrar's site for managing my domains.

I complement you on creating a memorial for your freind. I had no way
of knowing when I made my comments that it was such a page and I
certainly meant no disrespect.

Anyway, your family pictures are excellent. Thanks for the link to the Album program.
I might try it.

Thank you for the nice comment. I'm not completely happy with the HTML
generated by the program but it is a very nice program making it very
easy for me to create/maintain all of the photos on my site. I've
thought about getting into it and hacking the HTML output to create
cleaner HTML. Just ain't found one of those circular tuits yet.

I'll also say that you do seem to be at least trying to understand why
people don't much like popups, top posting, and the long lines.

--
Stan McCann "Uncle Pirate" http://stanmccann.us/pirate.html
Webmaster/Computer Center Manager, NMSU at Alamogordo
Cooordinator, Tularosa Basin Chapter, ABATE of NM; AMA#758681; COBB
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) http://motorcyclefun.org/Dcp_2068c.jpg
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein

 

[Scott]

One is too many for me.


Not snide, just honest. I visit sites with
popups/java/javascript/cookies only unintentionally or if I really have
a need/desire for what's there like doing business on eBay/PayPal or
visiting the registrar's site for managing my domains.

I complement you on creating a memorial for your freind. I had no way
of knowing when I made my comments that it was such a page and I
certainly meant no disrespect.


Thank you for the nice comment. I'm not completely happy with the HTML
generated by the program but it is a very nice program making it very
easy for me to create/maintain all of the photos on my site. I've
thought about getting into it and hacking the HTML output to create
cleaner HTML. Just ain't found one of those circular tuits yet.

I'll also say that you do seem to be at least trying to understand why
people don't much like popups, top posting, and the long lines.

--
Stan McCann "Uncle Pirate" http://stanmccann.us/pirate.html
Webmaster/Computer Center Manager, NMSU at Alamogordo
Cooordinator, Tularosa Basin Chapter, ABATE of NM; AMA#758681; COBB
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) http://motorcyclefun.org/Dcp_2068c.jpg
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein

Uncle Pirate,

Regarding top posting, I think a lot of us just take the easy way out and post that way. I
remember a discussion on "top and bottom posting" on another newsgroup. Some insisted that
bottom posting is the proper way. Others prefer top posting. One poster wondered who makes
the rules about posting? He said no one person is in charge, and people should post the way

they feel most comfortable.

From a practical standpoint, I find it easier to read a top post, because no scrolling is
involved.
No, I don't need to be reminded about the previous post, since I usually start reading
threads from
the top down. And if I happen to forget what's being talked about, I can always scroll down
to
read the previous poster.

So who decided we all have to bottom post?

I'm not trying to create a problem. I just think this is a fair question to ask.

Scott

 

[Barbara de Zoete]

Uncle Pirate,

You are not writing an e-mail, you know.

From a practical standpoint, I find it easier to read a top post,
because no scrolling is involved.
No, I don't need to be reminded about the previous post, since I usually
start reading threads from the top down.

This is not about you. Posts get read by anyone at anytime. Even through
archives. Even years from now. Also without any context or without the
complete thread available.
This is not a mailbox or a chatbox.

Like in someones sig (forgot who it was)

A: topposting
Q: what is the most anoying thing in usenet

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Uncle Pirate,

Regarding top posting, I think a lot of us just take the easy way out and post that way. I
remember a discussion on "top and bottom posting" on another newsgroup. Some insisted that
bottom posting is the proper way. Others prefer top posting. One poster wondered who makes
the rules about posting? He said no one person is in charge, and people should post the way

they feel most comfortable.

From a practical standpoint, I find it easier to read a top post, because no scrolling is
involved.
No, I don't need to be reminded about the previous post, since I usually start reading
threads from
the top down. And if I happen to forget what's being talked about, I can always scroll down
to
read the previous poster.

Your line length is off again. Please set to maybe 70 characters or
so. Thanks. I didn't trim your post, so to show you how it shows up in
my newsreader.

So who decided we all have to bottom post?

Depends on the group(s). Most technical groups prefer bottom - or
better yet, inline - but with proper trimming in all cases.

I'm not trying to create a problem. I just think this is a fair question to ask.

[insert boilerplate]

open the front cover and begin reading there?
the back cover and end up at the front or do you
chapter one or do you start somewhere near
When reading a book, do you start at


I read somewhere (can't find link at the moment) where it was stated
that top-posting began when Outlook Express decided it wanted to be a
newsreader. The default location of the insertion point was at the top
and folks didn't know they could/should press the PageDown key.

Lack of trimming compounds the problem. TOFU was born.
Text Oben Fullquote Unten (German)
Text Over, Fullquote Under

If you top-post to a message from several days ago, people will still
need to scroll down to see what you are replying to, then scroll back
up to read your response, because they will likely have forgotten the
original points, or need to refresh their memory. Especially for
someone who reads hundreds of posts every day.

And of course, *inline posting* is most desirable.

BTW, please set your newsreader to a line length around 70 characters.
This free program may help with your application:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
(http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tools/#oequotefix)

 

[Duende]

While sitting in a puddle Beauregard T. Shagnasty scribbled in the mud:

If you top-post to a message from several days ago, people will still
need to scroll down to see what you are replying to,

Not if you trim everything

then scroll back
up to read your response, because they will likely have forgotten the
original points, or need to refresh their memory. Especially for
someone who reads hundreds of posts every day.

Why would anybody do that?

 

[tm]

tm writes

With your computer turned off, you wouldn't have seen anything.

This is an important accessability issue that needs to be addressed.

 

[Uncle Pirate]

So who decided we all have to bottom post?

It's not top vs. bottom; it's top vs. flow. Many patrons of UseNet over
a long period of time decided that it was easier to follow a
"conversation" by clipping out the unimportant parts and placing thier
comments sprinkled into the flow of the discussion.

I'm not trying to create a problem. I just think this is a fair question to ask.

It's a perfect way for *someone else* to look at a message in a thread
and tell what's going on without having to go back to read every
message. All the important parts of the discussion are in this one post.

It's easier for *me* to top post too. But, it's easier for others to
follow if I don't. Life's not always about *me*.

--
Stan McCann "Uncle Pirate" http://stanmccann.us/pirate.html
Webmaster/Computer Center Manager, NMSU at Alamogordo
Cooordinator, Tularosa Basin Chapter, ABATE of NM; AMA#758681; COBB
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) http://motorcyclefun.org/Dcp_2068c.jpg
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein

 

[Duende]

While sitting in a puddle Uncle Pirate scribbled in the mud:

You're

by clipping out the unimportant parts

right.