weird one - title not showing in Firefox

[mrcakey]

I've just upgraded Firefox to version 2.0.0.13 from 2.0.0.12, but neither
displays my title - I think they're just getting it from the URL (I've tried
changing the title completely and none of it's picked up). What's even
weirder is that if I open the identical page on my local hard drive, it does
display the full title.

http://www.dreamberry.co.uk/index.htm

Google get the full title which is I suppose the main thing, and IE6 and
Opera9 also get the title.

Anyone any ideas?

+mrcakey

 

[Travis Newbury]

http://www.dreamberry.co.uk/index.htm

I was looking at your Flash header...

1: The cloud movement is totally unrealistic, and therefore looks like
crap. I am assuming you are using the time line to make the clouds
move. You need to add "EASING" to the movement./ Easing is (more or
less) nature, gravity, and how things move in the real world.

2: The name of the company comes out WAY to slowly! You need to zing
it in much faster (not necessarily sooner) and use easing it too.
Easing will completely change the way your animations look. They will
go from noticeably wrong to awesome. Also, you might want to add
some motion blure to the words coming out. Again, it will look
better.

3: Clouds are transparent. When you make the individual clouds use a
feathered edge so the edges of the clouds are transparent. It will
look much more realistic.

4: The lens flair on the apple never moves. You need to make this a
separate layer and have it move as the apple grows. Again add easing
to the apple movement.

YMMV

 

[Travis Newbury]

http://www.dreamberry.co.uk/index.htm

Sorry, I looked some more.....

The "reflections" are all wrong. The angles I mean. You might want
to hire a graphics person to make some of your graphics. It will
really improve the site.

Again, YMMV

 

[Neredbojias]

I've just upgraded Firefox to version 2.0.0.13 from 2.0.0.12, but
neither displays my title - I think they're just getting it from the
URL (I've tried changing the title completely and none of it's picked
up). What's even weirder is that if I open the identical page on my
local hard drive, it does display the full title.

http://www.dreamberry.co.uk/index.htm

Google get the full title which is I suppose the main thing, and IE6
and Opera9 also get the title.

? If you mean the html <title>, I get the whole thing in 2.0.0.12.

I'm not the best, girls. I'm not the cheapest, either. Why chose me?
- 'Cause I'm a hunk!

 

[mynameisnobodyodyssea]

I've just upgraded Firefox to version 2.0.0.13 from 2.0.0.12, but neither
displays my title - I think they're just getting it from the URL (I've tried
changing the title completely and none of it's picked up).  What's even
weirder is that if I open the identical page on my local hard drive, it does
display the full title.

http://www.dreamberry.co.uk/index.htm

Google get the full title which is I suppose the main thing, and IE6 and
Opera9 also get the title.

Anyone any ideas?

+mrcakey

What title do you mean? The content of the
<title> element? It appears OK in the title bar of
my FF browser.
Can you post a screenshot?

You have a <h1> element, but it is set display:none in the
stylesheet.

 

[John Hosking]

I was looking at your Flash header...

1: The cloud movement is totally unrealistic, and therefore looks like
crap. I am assuming you are using the time line to make the clouds
move. You need to add "EASING" to the movement./ Easing is (more or
less) nature, gravity, and how things move in the real world.

2: The name of the company comes out WAY to slowly! You need to zing
it in much faster (not necessarily sooner) and use easing it too.
Easing will completely change the way your animations look. They will
go from noticeably wrong to awesome. Also, you might want to add
some motion blure to the words coming out. Again, it will look
better.

3: Clouds are transparent. When you make the individual clouds use a
feathered edge so the edges of the clouds are transparent. It will
look much more realistic.

4: The lens flair on the apple never moves. You need to make this a
separate layer and have it move as the apple grows. Again add easing
to the apple movement.

YMMV

That's what folks like about you, Travis: friendly and helpful

 

[mrcakey]

I've just upgraded Firefox to version 2.0.0.13 from 2.0.0.12, but neither
displays my title - I think they're just getting it from the URL (I've
tried
changing the title completely and none of it's picked up). What's even
weirder is that if I open the identical page on my local hard drive, it
does
display the full title.

http://www.dreamberry.co.uk/index.htm

Google get the full title which is I suppose the main thing, and IE6 and
Opera9 also get the title.

Anyone any ideas?

+mrcakey

-What title do you mean? The content of the
-<title> element? It appears OK in the title bar of
-my FF browser.
-Can you post a screenshot?
-
-You have a <h1> element, but it is set display:none in the
-stylesheet.

Yup, that's the one. I've noticed it happens in a couple of other more
established sites too, e.g. IMDb. I guess it's a Firefox issue. Probably
one of my add-ons messing with something, but it's odd that it's so
inconsistent. It's not a biggy anyway! Thanks for looking.

http://mrcakey.co.uk/titleweirdness.jpg

+mrcakey

 

[mrcakey]

Sorry, I looked some more.....

The "reflections" are all wrong. The angles I mean. You might want
to hire a graphics person to make some of your graphics. It will
really improve the site.

Again, YMMV

You made some valid points in your first response and I agree it does need
attending to when I have more time (it was made with a fairly old version of
Flash and I'll redo the lot in CS3), but 'you might want to hire a graphics
person' is, I think, a bit below the belt.

+mrcakey

 

[mrcakey]

On 26 Mar 2008, "mrcakey" <[email protected]> wrote:

? If you mean the html <title>, I get the whole thing in 2.0.0.12.

I'm not the best, girls. I'm not the cheapest, either. Why chose me?
- 'Cause I'm a hunk!

Damn right!!! LOL

+mrcakey

 

[mynameisnobodyodyssea]

Yup, that's the one.  I've noticed it happens in a couple of other more
established sites too, e.g. IMDb.  I guess it's a Firefox issue.  Probably
one of my add-ons messing with something, but it's odd that it's so
inconsistent.  It's not a biggy anyway!  Thanks for looking.

http://mrcakey.co.uk/titleweirdness.jpg

+mrcakey

I notice that the titles are the same as in the bar
with shortcuts for preferred sites of your FF browser.
Could the shorter titles be a customized feature for your browser?

 

[mrcakey]

Yup, that's the one. I've noticed it happens in a couple of other more
established sites too, e.g. IMDb. I guess it's a Firefox issue. Probably
one of my add-ons messing with something, but it's odd that it's so
inconsistent. It's not a biggy anyway! Thanks for looking.

http://mrcakey.co.uk/titleweirdness.jpg

+mrcakey

-I notice that the titles are the same as in the bar
-with shortcuts for preferred sites of your FF browser.
-Could the shorter titles be a customized feature for your browser?

Genius!!! Spot on, you got it!

+mrcakey

 

[dorayme]

That's what folks like about you, Travis: friendly and helpful

Especially the bit about go hire a graphics person...

 

[Travis Newbury]

That's what folks like about you, Travis: friendly and helpful

I felt the sarcasm through the screen. What part of that was neither
helpful or friendly? You put your website out there, I commented on
it. All the comments are valid, and I not only told you what I
thought was wrong, I also offered a solution (or at the least,
direction)

 

[Travis Newbury]

-> > That's what folks like about you, Travis: friendly and helpful
-> Especially the bit about go hire a graphics person...


Sorry, but if he wants to really make this thing top notch, then he
hires a graphics person. You can not disagree that a good graphics
person could improve the graphics used in that Flash animation and the
reflected images.

I still solicit outside graphics when ever a customer wants graphic I
can not provide. Nothing shameful in that, and it lets you offer
things that normally you couldn't do yourself. A one man shop does
not have to consist of just one man. The client has no idea if I
physically created a graphic or not. He doesn't care. All he cares
about is what I can deliver.

 

[dorayme]

-> > That's what folks like about you, Travis: friendly and helpful
-> Especially the bit about go hire a graphics person...


Sorry, but if he wants to really make this thing top notch, then he
hires a graphics person.

Travis, everyone knows this, so what's the point of saying it? People
avoid hiring experts in a particular field for all sorts of reasons,
many of which are fair enough.

 

[Travis Newbury]

Travis, everyone knows this, so what's the point of saying it?

Because some people won't go get some outside help unless you tell
them. You (not you persoanlly, but the proverbial you) let them know
they are not a failure if they run a one man shop but are not an
expert at all aspects of the job.

People
avoid hiring experts in a particular field for all sorts of reasons,
many of which are fair enough.

Other than financial I can not think of a good reason not to contract
out pieces you can't personally do.

 

[Travis Newbury]

You made some valid points in your first response and I agree it does need
attending to when I have more time (it was made with a fairly old version of
Flash and I'll redo the lot in CS3), but 'you might want to hire a graphics
person' is, I think, a bit below the belt.

I thought it was very blunt, but not below the belt.

 

[John Hosking]

I felt the sarcasm through the screen.

That's okay; I meant it this time. Too often I try to be helpful,
and somebody responds seething about my sarcasm, and I think, "what
the...?" But this time it was deliberate.

What part of that was neither helpful or friendly?

I don't mean to suggest that your criticisms were without value; in fact
I don't want to evaluate them at all. (Except, well, I believe you
spelled "flare" wrong.)

My point was that he was asking about a missing title, by which I
assumed he meant <title>, which is indeed a pretty weird problem. And
you completely ignored that circumstance without even a mention of it
("Sorry, I can't help you with that, but I do a lot of Flash and I
noticed..."). Instead, you gave him 26 lines, without preamble, of "your
site is crap." Helpful it might eventually be, but it's hardly friendly.

You put your website out there, I commented on
it. All the comments are valid, and I not only told you what I
thought was wrong, I also offered a solution (or at the least,
direction)

You do realize that it's not my site, don't you?

 

[dorayme]

Because some people won't go get some outside help unless you tell
them.

Well, perhaps... I reckon it would be a rare thing for someone on a ng
to tell someone this and they go do it as a result.

Other than financial I can not think of a good reason not to contract
out pieces you can't personally do.

I can. It involves pride and what we might call personal philosophy of
making do for oneself. I am not particularly praising this here, just
letting you know it exists and it forms reasons for people. And bound up
with this is the motivator to do better and be more skilful in some area
that one uses a lot. There are some reasons besides financial.

 

[Travis Newbury]

I can. It involves pride and what we might call personal philosophy of
making do for oneself. I am not particularly praising this here, just
letting you know it exists and it forms reasons for people. And bound up
with this is the motivator to do better and be more skilful in some area
that one uses a lot. There are some reasons besides financial.

See, I completely look at it the other way. The better people I
surround myself with the more I learn and the better I get to define
my craft. Like here, over the years (man it has been almost 6 years in
this ng) I have learned a lot. I don't always apply it the way others
would, but that is a different argument. I share my trade with anyone
willing to listen. And I learn when ever I can.