ALA Updates

[Mimic]

_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 06:57, [Onideus] wrote : \_____

_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote : \_____


A List Apart have just released their redesign.(like within the last 8
hours )
Given the amount of webdesign talk around here, I think alot of people
could do with looking at it.

Looks GREAT, 100% valid code and xbrowser compatible. Take heed.

www.alistapart.com

There will be a few confused readers (including me) whose DNS server will
point them to the old site. Here is the new site's IP address:

http://69.93.55.164/

Hope it contributes,

Roy

PS - I noticed many people who are amazed (in blogs, and
alt.www.webmaster), but apart from the neat CSS tricks, it doesn't appeal
to me visually. This comes to show what a huge rule taste plays.

Yeah I don't get all the hype. It's like these people have been
closed up in a box where all they've ever seen has been text only
websites and now that they got one with a few ho hum, outdated CSS
parlor tricks they're all drooling all over themselves. Over in the
REAL web design communities we're all just cockin our heads to the
side and sayin, "Huh?". Especially regarding their 1024x768 non
text-liquid layout, how is THAT supposed to be "cutting edge"? Also I
highly doubt it's as cross browser compatible as people are claiming.
It seems like some screwballs are saying that just because it's W3C
compliant...usually meeting W3C specs means that it's NOT cross
browser compatible since no web browser on the planet ACTUALLY meets
the W3Cs imaginary standards.

I played about with the site for a while, trying to figure out what the hype
was all about. I have about 5 browsers on this machine, including some that
are outdated. Konqueror seems to like most of it, but not all.

When re-scaling the fonts, you can see that the site has a robust layout
indeed. Some people got excited about the so-called 4 column layout, which
I quite frankly believe doesn't take a genius to implement. Overall, it
seems to me like an ordinary good Web site. The innovative part is probably
the underlining on titles. Much of the rest of the tricks I already saw
elsewhere... unless I am missing something.

While I agree that W3-compliant pages are not guaranteed to be rendered
properly by all (IE springs to mind), you at least know that the developer
stuck to standards that were agreed upon rather than hacking or
re-inventing the Web (e.g. IE-only).

Roy

Yep, there is alot of standard coding and techniques, and thats the
whole point. The aim of Zeldman and crew, is to remove this incessent
need for creating complexities when designing websites, cutting out the
need for browser hacks by introducing standards that everyone can use.

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[Mimic]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz


_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote : \_____

[cut]

Please, PLEASE stop including alt.websites in your postings (all of
you), we don't need this nonsense.

Thank you!

Matt

Then cut the bullshit out. The rest of the thread is a discussion on a
globally acclaimed...wait for it...... /website/ :O

So tell us matt, if you dont condone talk of websites in "your" group.
What the **** do you talk about?

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[[spooky.action]]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz

_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote : \_____

A List Apart have just released their redesign.(like within the last 8
hours )
Given the amount of webdesign talk around here, I think alot of people
could do with looking at it.

Looks GREAT, 100% valid code and xbrowser compatible. Take heed.

www.alistapart.com

There will be a few confused readers (including me) whose DNS server will
point them to the old site. Here is the new site's IP address:

http://69.93.55.164/

Hope it contributes,

Roy

PS - I noticed many people who are amazed (in blogs, and alt.www.webmaster),
but apart from the neat CSS tricks, it doesn't appeal to me visually. This
comes to show what a huge rule taste plays.

Yeah I don't get all the hype.

We know you don't get it, it's nice that you finally admit it.

Oh, stellar retort, Trainable, boy you're not like all desperate to
try and "get back" at me now are you. *snicker*

Fuckin Hatter addicts.

lol Get back at you for what? I think your hilarious, I laugh every time I
read one of your posts. Of all the posers I ever ran into, your definitely
one of the best. You actually believe your own lies, it's great. The
shit you make up is so outrageous, it's funny and what's even better is
you think your actually fooling people with it. The only thing funnier
than your egomaniacal delusions is these kindergarten insults you come up
with. You actually called me a doorknob once, does that pass for an insult
in Walla Walla? The things you say are so childish I can't even be
offended by them. You'd have to try a hell of a lot harder to piss me off.
Your awesome, keep up the good work.

 

[JDS]

I noticed the res thing too. Im sure they have their reasons. In defence,
the core user base is PC/laptop based web/gfx designers, and as such tend
to run in higher res's. It would be interesting to know how many people
outside of corporate lockdown terminals actually still run in 800*600.

Missing the point, I think. The size of the viewport/browser window and
NOT the size of the screen is what matters. for example, I currently run
my desktop at 1600x1200 but my browser windows are *rarely* as wide as
1024. So that means I have to resize my browser for the stupid new ALA
site.

Am I alone in this matter?

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Missing the point, I think. The size of the viewport/browser
window and NOT the size of the screen is what matters. for
example, I currently run my desktop at 1600x1200 but my browser
windows are *rarely* as wide as 1024. So that means I have to
resize my browser for the stupid new ALA site.

Am I alone in this matter?

No. My browsers are usually between 750 and 850 px wide. The
resolution is higher of course.

 

[Hans van Eynsbergen]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:57:37 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz

_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote : \_____

A List Apart have just released their redesign.(like within the last 8
hours )
Given the amount of webdesign talk around here, I think alot of people
could do with looking at it.

Looks GREAT, 100% valid code and xbrowser compatible. Take heed.

www.alistapart.com

There will be a few confused readers (including me) whose DNS server will
point them to the old site. Here is the new site's IP address:

http://69.93.55.164/

Hope it contributes,

Roy

PS - I noticed many people who are amazed (in blogs, and alt.www.webmaster),
but apart from the neat CSS tricks, it doesn't appeal to me visually. This
comes to show what a huge rule taste plays.

Yeah I don't get all the hype.

We know you don't get it, it's nice that you finally admit it.

Oh, stellar retort, Trainable, boy you're not like all desperate to
try and "get back" at me now are you. *snicker*

Fuckin Hatter addicts.

lol Get back at you for what? I think your hilarious, I laugh every time I
read one of your posts. Of all the posers I ever ran into, your definitely
one of the best. You actually believe your own lies, it's great. The
shit you make up is so outrageous, it's funny and what's even better is
you think your actually fooling people with it. The only thing funnier
than your egomaniacal delusions is these kindergarten insults you come up
with. You actually called me a doorknob once, does that pass for an insult
in Walla Walla? The things you say are so childish I can't even be
offended by them. You'd have to try a hell of a lot harder to piss me off.
Your awesome, keep up the good work.

At the risk of Hatter saying I'm a slurper.....*snicker*...
I ...ehhhh....agree.... with this psot.....
And...ehhhh....the whole psot is sig
material.........bwahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!

/me wanders off to have another bourbon.....

 

[Hans van Eynsbergen]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz

_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote : \_____

[cut]

Please, PLEASE stop including alt.websites in your postings (all of
you), we don't need this nonsense.

Thank you!

Matt

Mattie ?
That you ?
*snicker*

 

[Mimic]

Missing the point, I think. The size of the viewport/browser window and
NOT the size of the screen is what matters. for example, I currently run
my desktop at 1600x1200 but my browser windows are *rarely* as wide as
1024. So that means I have to resize my browser for the stupid new ALA
site.

Am I alone in this matter?

I know what youre saying, but most people run their browsers at full
res. To incorporate every possible screen res between 1600*1200 and 1*1,
is just stupid. Personally, I cant stand any of me windows below
maximised ...besides, thats what alt-tab is for

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[Toby Inkster]

Looks GREAT, 100% valid code and xbrowser compatible. Take heed.
www.alistapart.com

I'm not much of a fan of ALA. There are occasionally good articles, but
there are many containing very outdated thought.

The current "Editor's Choice" alludes to designing to a 216 colour palate.

Quick show of hands: who's current display is set to *less* than 24-bit
colour?

 

[Mimic]

Mimic wrote:




I'm not much of a fan of ALA. There are occasionally good articles, but
there are many containing very outdated thought.

The current "Editor's Choice" alludes to designing to a 216 colour palate.

Quick show of hands: who's current display is set to *less* than 24-bit
colour?

me!!, well where I used to work we did. The point of 216 colors is to
prevent your color scheme fucking up should it be viewed on a screen
with low color depth. Of course, is entirely the designers choice.

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[~Deb~]

On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, (e-mail address removed) (Matt
Probert) made their contribution to mankind by stating in


On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:52:12 GMT, "[spooky.action]"


On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:57:37 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:


On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz


_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote : \_____


[cut]

Please, PLEASE stop including alt.websites in your postings (all of
you), we don't need this nonsense.

Thank you!

Matt


So websites aren't on topic for alt.websites? You some sort of
trolling froup or something?

I found an interesting website in my basement, it was behind some
boxes.

was that spyderware.net?

Hi Psyko

 

[ThePsyko]

ThePsyko wrote:

On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, (e-mail address removed) (Matt
Probert) made their contribution to mankind by stating in


On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:52:12 GMT, "[spooky.action]"


On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:57:37 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:


On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz


_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote : \_____


[cut]

Please, PLEASE stop including alt.websites in your postings (all of
you), we don't need this nonsense.

Thank you!

Matt


So websites aren't on topic for alt.websites? You some sort of
trolling froup or something?


I found an interesting website in my basement, it was behind some
boxes.

was that spyderware.net?

Hi Psyko

Is this the Deb I'm thinking of? Deb from that other group? From AMO
fame?

 

[~Deb~]

On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
made their contribution to mankind by stating in



ThePsyko wrote:


On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, (e-mail address removed) (Matt
Probert) made their contribution to mankind by stating in



On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:52:12 GMT, "[spooky.action]"



On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:57:37 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:



On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz



_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote : \_____


[cut]

Please, PLEASE stop including alt.websites in your postings (all of
you), we don't need this nonsense.

Thank you!

Matt


So websites aren't on topic for alt.websites? You some sort of
trolling froup or something?


I found an interesting website in my basement, it was behind some
boxes.


was that spyderware.net?

Hi Psyko

Is this the Deb I'm thinking of? Deb from that other group? From AMO
fame?

hehe-yep!

 

[ThePsyko]

ThePsyko wrote:

On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
made their contribution to mankind by stating in



ThePsyko wrote:


On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, (e-mail address removed)
(Matt Probert) made their contribution to mankind by stating in



On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:52:12 GMT, "[spooky.action]"



On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:57:37 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:



On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz



_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote :
\_____


[cut]

Please, PLEASE stop including alt.websites in your postings (all
of you), we don't need this nonsense.

Thank you!

Matt


So websites aren't on topic for alt.websites? You some sort of
trolling froup or something?


I found an interesting website in my basement, it was behind some
boxes.


was that spyderware.net?



Hi Psyko

Is this the Deb I'm thinking of? Deb from that other group? From
AMO fame?

hehe-yep!

heh... small world. How ya been?

 

[~Deb~]

On 25 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, ~Deb~ <[email protected]> made their
contribution to mankind by stating in



ThePsyko wrote:


On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
made their contribution to mankind by stating in




ThePsyko wrote:



On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, (e-mail address removed)
(Matt Probert) made their contribution to mankind by stating in




On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:52:12 GMT, "[spooky.action]"




On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:57:37 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:




On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz




_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote :
\_____


[cut]

Please, PLEASE stop including alt.websites in your postings (all
of you), we don't need this nonsense.

Thank you!

Matt


So websites aren't on topic for alt.websites? You some sort of
trolling froup or something?


I found an interesting website in my basement, it was behind some
boxes.


was that spyderware.net?



Hi Psyko



Is this the Deb I'm thinking of? Deb from that other group? From
AMO fame?

hehe-yep!

heh... small world. How ya been?

Ah-pretty good, and yurself?

 

[dorayme]

It does, thanks.


Not to mention the fixed width.
Also, when enlarging the font in Firefox, the menu loses items. Just
out of sight, no scrollbar. People with bad eyesight can't get to the
feed, nor are allowed to contribute. Apparently.
With the very small body text, the percentage of people who need to
enlarge the text is higher than usual too. Font size only /one/ notch
up already gets the 'feed' menu item off screen on a 1024x768 window.

Similar things happen in my Mozilla 1.3, the feed menu does go
after a few ups of the font size and the horiz scrollbar comes
in way after it is needed. And then does not work to get the
'feed' link onto the screen on my 1024x768.

dorayme

 

[ThePsyko]

ThePsyko wrote:

On 25 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, ~Deb~ <[email protected]> made their
contribution to mankind by stating in



ThePsyko wrote:


On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
made their contribution to mankind by stating in




ThePsyko wrote:



On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, (e-mail address removed)
(Matt Probert) made their contribution to mankind by stating in




On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:52:12 GMT, "[spooky.action]"




On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:57:37 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:




On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz




_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote :
\_____


[cut]

Please, PLEASE stop including alt.websites in your postings (all
of you), we don't need this nonsense.

Thank you!

Matt


So websites aren't on topic for alt.websites? You some sort of
trolling froup or something?


I found an interesting website in my basement, it was behind some
boxes.


was that spyderware.net?



Hi Psyko



Is this the Deb I'm thinking of? Deb from that other group? From
AMO fame?


hehe-yep!

heh... small world. How ya been?

Ah-pretty good, and yurself?

Doing excellent Got a book out (well, wrote part of it.. not the
whole thing) and the career is really taking off. Family relationships
are good, sex life is good.. nothing really that I can complain about

 

[~Deb~]

On 25 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, ~Deb~ <[email protected]> made their
contribution to mankind by stating in



ThePsyko wrote:


On 25 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, ~Deb~ <[email protected]> made their
contribution to mankind by stating in




ThePsyko wrote:



On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
made their contribution to mankind by stating in





ThePsyko wrote:




On 24 Aug 2005 in alt.2600, (e-mail address removed)
(Matt Probert) made their contribution to mankind by stating in





On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:52:12 GMT, "[spooky.action]"





On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:57:37 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:





On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:23:43 +0100, Roy Schestowitz





_____/ On Wednesday 24 August 2005 00:19, [Mimic] wrote :
\_____


[cut]

Please, PLEASE stop including alt.websites in your postings (all
of you), we don't need this nonsense.

Thank you!

Matt


So websites aren't on topic for alt.websites? You some sort of
trolling froup or something?


I found an interesting website in my basement, it was behind some
boxes.


was that spyderware.net?



Hi Psyko



Is this the Deb I'm thinking of? Deb from that other group? From
AMO fame?


hehe-yep!



heh... small world. How ya been?

Ah-pretty good, and yurself?

Doing excellent Got a book out (well, wrote part of it.. not the
whole thing) and the career is really taking off. Family relationships
are good, sex life is good.. nothing really that I can complain about

Glad to hear it

 

[Hans van Eynsbergen]

sex life is good..

So....Crawpops and you are having a great time ?

 

[FrozenNorth]

So....Crawpops and you are having a great time ?

Bwahahahaha