R
Robert Frost-Bridges
Travis said:
I know it's not similar to the page in question but I do like
zengarden :
http://www.csszengarden.com/
I know it's not similar to the page in question but I do like
zengarden :
http://www.csszengarden.com/
H
Henry
rf said:
OMG. That is *UGLY*!!! It looks like 12 years old kid have done his web
page in Front Page.
Compare with these guys.
http://www.game-deception.com/index.php
or
http://www.iinet.net.au/
or
http://www.westnet.com.au/
or
http://www.iprimus.com.au/
or
http://telstra.com/index.jsp
or
http://www.dodo.com.au/index.html
or
http://www.viget.com/
or
http://www.britneyspears.com/
or
http://www.potomacofficersclub.com/main/index.php
Nice combinations of tables and css.
Most people love beautiful things and it doesn't matter if page loads 10
seconds slower.
It's nice, a visitor feels good and the client will pay any money to
have page like that.
And they do pay and they don't give a shit what was used to create such
page.
BTW. Just found a nice (Page as well) forum where I don't think anyone
will push me into tableless design and ugly layouts.
http://www.webmaster-talk.com/
Bye for good... keep designing... ugliness.
T
Travis Newbury
[email protected] said:
That's nothing at all like his link. Does anyone have an example of a
site with his example's look and feel that is done with CSS. I think it
would be a valuable example. (hell for me it is a needed example)
Yea, but if you can duplicate the look and feel of his example and still
do it the professional way, then that would be golden. That is the
example I would love to see.
R
rf
Travis Newbury
The look and feel of the example IMHO sucks.
The look and feel of the example IMHO sucks.
H
Henry
Travis said:
These ones are not to bad.
some sites using css layouts:
http://www.inc.com/
http://www.wired.com/
http://www.opera.com/ nice
http://www.kitty5.com/
http://www.cinnamon.nl/ very nice
http://msn.espn.go.com/
http://www.virtuelvis.com/
http://www.emptybottle.org/
http://www.fastcompany.com/ nice
http://www.littleyellowdifferent.com/
http://www.pga.com/pgachampionship/2004/
brucie once posted
You will be the judge if it's worth the effort to get close to layouts
I've posted.
Every time I see great page, I'm checking how is done.
Tables... usually.
Some (newspaper like) pages are often in full css because the text is
the most important there and the messages has to be the strongest point.
Like Washington Post...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
Upps... still tables!
;-O
I give up!
Hahahahahahahaha...
BTW css tutorials usually done in css.
Like http://css.maxdesign.com.au/index.htm
IMHO it's the perfect match - design and desire to deliver the message.
T
Travis Newbury
I have always liked the look of the site, and the examples sent in.
T
Travis Newbury
[email protected] said:
Well different stroke I guess. I would still like to see it (or
something close) done using css. I would find that very interesting
indeed.
M
Mark Parnell
Hopefully somewhat less graphic intensive. It took about a minute to
load on broadband. I dread to think how long it would take on dialup.
S
Starshine Moonbeam
Henry ([email protected]) said:In other words, you have failed miserably to convince me (And I do
believe many others) that I should give up tables and use clumsy css for
layout with it's hundreds of hacks for different browsers.
"Table are for a tabular data only."
What a crock of shit!
If M$ will change their way or IE will be gone, than I'll *reconsider*
my attitude towards css.
You guys do create these ugly css based, with huge and ugly fonts but
informative pages and I will design something beautiful in Photoshop and
put it in the tables.
Tomorrow we will have 10MB or bigger and 50k page will be silly and
obsolete design for old sexless prics.
Than I'll laugh all way to the bank like many great designers do.
Just check www.boxedart.com!
Your pictures didn't load and my firewall picked up a my sql dos attack.
Sweet. I'll be sure never to look at it again.
And learn something nice for a change... Even toilet paper has to be
beautiful.
BTW. This is alt.html, not alt.css or alt.java
Don't forget alt for the blind girl!
And support US butchery in Iraq instead.
Have a nice day or... night.
<p align="center"><font size="+3" color="red">**** off.</font></p>
<p align="center"><img src="finger.jpg" alt="The Finger" /></p>
N
Neal
rf posted one of my ongoing projects. I don't think I'd have submitted
this to your query, though I think it looks pretty good.
The design of http://www.boxedart.com/ is as follows:
1) A header region
2) A large content area to the right
3) A column on the left
4) A footer
My example uses no footer, so I can use absolute positioning to place the
navigation, and I do. With the footer, you have to float. That's why that
page isn't what I'd submit as an alternative to this one.
Here's what I'd do: header is easy, no worries there, but I'd position:
relative; so the various parts of it could be juggled around easily. Next
is the content, float: right. Then the column, float: left; (or maybe
right; as well). Finally, the footer, clear: both.
The rounded boxes in the content areas could be done like they describe at
[http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/] and
[http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners2/].
Is there anything else here that would be a challenge for CSS layout that
I'm missing?
L
Leonard Blaisdell
Upps... still tables!
I checked out your site on a 56K connection. It took a minute and thirty
seconds to load and had a hideous and long horizontal scrollbar. A pile of
images in a table. Geeze, that's original. Just like the bunch of the
garbage you submitted as vindication.
I guess a lot of guys from the old DP school just don't get fluid design
which doesn't look like your "example" and functions so much better on the web.
Damn! I promptly forgot your URL and didn't check it in Lynx. That would
probably have been an interesting exercise.
Dogma and Dreamweaver forever! Better methods be damned!
leo
I checked out your site on a 56K connection. It took a minute and thirty
seconds to load and had a hideous and long horizontal scrollbar. A pile of
images in a table. Geeze, that's original. Just like the bunch of the
garbage you submitted as vindication.
I guess a lot of guys from the old DP school just don't get fluid design
which doesn't look like your "example" and functions so much better on the web.
Damn! I promptly forgot your URL and didn't check it in Lynx. That would
probably have been an interesting exercise.
Dogma and Dreamweaver forever! Better methods be damned!
leo
N
Neal
First load took over 10 minutes for all the images. This last time, thank
goodness they were still cached.
A problem with many graphic layouts is that they use too many images to do
the job. Always, always use the least amount of images you can possibly
get away with.
L
Leonard Blaisdell
Oops! I didn't attribute what I quoted to Henry. Sorry.
leo
N
Neal
OMG. That is *UGLY*!!! It looks like 12 years old kid have done his web
page in Front Page.
You are kidding. Good, I'd have to kill you.
But just in case - whatabout it do you feel is ugly? Besides the image quality - those are
dummies which will be redone when the design actually goes live.
75 images are really necessary? "Game Deception" - how many times must it
appear? (I can't count that high, I'm only 12.) And I see a lot of table
markup here, but why? It's not a table.
On the plus side, the battleship color scheme is nice, and the evil
showerhead is strangely erotic.
But we're comparing apples to oranges here. My page is meant to appeal to
the classical-music audience. Your submission is a gaming site. Not a lot
of crossover in those markets. If they were similar, one or both would be
not so well done.
Sorry, lack the time to look at the rest of the list.
How about a full minute and a half? Even if my CSS file took a while to
load, each successive page would load even faster because EVERYTHING - the
positioning, the style - is cached. On the above site, the table markup is
not cached, and must be downloaded each time.
It's nice, a visitor feels good and the client will pay any money to
have page like that.
And they do pay and they don't give a shit what was used to create such
page.
User's don't care. Client's don't care. They are paying you to.
The danger in your position is that when someone makes a site the right
way which is designed as well as yours and offers similar content, they'll
leave you in the dust because the page will work better.
Oh, see ya.
M
Mark Parnell
No one here is "pushing" you into anything. They are simply trying to
explain why CSS-based layouts are better than tables. If you don't want
to listen, that's up to you.
L
Localnet
Without quill or qualm, Henry quothed:
-Orange scrollbars? I guess beauty *is* in the eyes of the beholder...
'Course, they never say what the bloke is beholdin'...
BTW, a horz scrollbar appears (in IE) unnecessarily.
-A touch touchy, ain't we?
I think I shall retire this pm dreaming of creamsicular websites.
Tomorrow we will have 10MB or bigger and 50k page will be silly and
obsolete design for old sexless prics.
Than I'll laugh all way to the bank like many great designers do.
Just check www.boxedart.com!
And learn something nice for a change... Even toilet paper has to be
beautiful.
-Orange scrollbars? I guess beauty *is* in the eyes of the beholder...
'Course, they never say what the bloke is beholdin'...
BTW, a horz scrollbar appears (in IE) unnecessarily.
-A touch touchy, ain't we?
I think I shall retire this pm dreaming of creamsicular websites.
H
Henry
Neal said:
Yes!
Travis was asking for a similar layout example and still didn't get it.
I would love to see it too.
You see... I love Boxedart and I bought many templates.
Story is simple, show me your goods and maybe you will earn my respect.
I have great respect for Boxedart.
Web design is an art and these guys are artists for sure.
We can talk about css, tables, frames and other stuff for ages.
The goods, please...
In css I've seen few pages I liked and that's all.
But... if they will start to look better than stuff from Boxedart, I
will start looking at these with serious interest.
brucie... I'm an idiot! Fair enough.
Show me your goods.
The best way to convince anyone.
M
Mark Parnell
You don't want to suggest that to brucie...
H
Henry
Travis said:
Just found brilliant article about css...
"Why style sheets are harmful"
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/styles/harmful.html
N
Neal
Well, I threw this together in about a half hour. The job is far from
complete, but it shows the basics of how to do this.
http://users.rcn.com/neal413/boxedarttest.html
Feel free to ask or improve, all.