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Mark Parnell

Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, dorayme
there was a Richard way back that everyone greatly
disrespected. Folk were warned to take no notice of anything he
said, there were histories and websites about all his failings
and trollings and on and on...

Ah, yes (didn't realise you'd been here that long?). This is the other
Richard. Just call him rf if it helps. Or "cheers Richard" (who used to
call him that? Was it Edwin?).

Getting nostalgic now. If only brucie were here...
 
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Mark Parnell

Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, dorayme
Get stuffed.

Now, now. You know better than to take a comment like that to heart,
especially from a fellow Aussie.

BTW: Whatever you do, don't let Richard show you his roo...
 
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dorayme

Mark Parnell said:
Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, dorayme


Now, now.
You know better than to take a comment like that to heart,
especially from a fellow Aussie.

BTW: Whatever you do, don't let Richard show you his roo...

er... a momentary flash of anger rose in my breast and well...
there it is, I am only martian after all... think twice about
introducing me to anyone else... you can't really take me
anywhere... homicidal rages just come brimming to the surface at
the least unwelcome suggestion...

You know anything about .htaccess files? They work too much for
me: I want only that they block the directory view of the file
system on the server. What happens is this: I read carefully the
tute I have on this thing. I carefully put .htaccess file on
server in the directory I want or sometimes at the top level to
apply to all folders, with just

Options -Indexes

in it.

The effect is it works but a day or two later, I can't access any
of the actual files inside either. Or immediately, it has this
effect. I know all about getting it on servers, the name right in
the end and so on. But I am generally miffed. Maybe I need a
better tute? It is just this directory view block I want. Any
ideas?
 
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Els

dorayme said:
You know anything about .htaccess files? They work too much for
me: I want only that they block the directory view of the file
system on the server. What happens is this: I read carefully the
tute I have on this thing. I carefully put .htaccess file on
server in the directory I want or sometimes at the top level to
apply to all folders, with just

Options -Indexes

in it.

The effect is it works but a day or two later, I can't access any
of the actual files inside either. Or immediately, it has this
effect. I know all about getting it on servers, the name right in
the end and so on. But I am generally miffed. Maybe I need a
better tute? It is just this directory view block I want. Any
ideas?

Did you look at your error log? The 'options -indexes' thing must be
enabled, otherwise it just gives an error when you try to access
anything in a folder with that in the .htaccess.
 
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rf

Mark Parnell said:
Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, dorayme


Ah, yes (didn't realise you'd been here that long?). This is the other
Richard. Just call him rf if it helps. Or "cheers Richard" (who used to
call him that? Was it Edwin?).

Typical bloody kneejerk reaction from a sheila. Probably thinks all people
on the planet who happen to be called Richard are the same as that "other"
Richard.
Getting nostalgic now. If only brucie were here...

He probably, like me, got pissed off with nasty little peices of work tho
react as above.

Bye now.
Richard.
 
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dorayme

"rf said:
Typical bloody kneejerk reaction from a sheila. Probably thinks all people
on the planet who happen to be called Richard are the same as that "other"
Richard.

There is no other Richard but Richard. You will just have to come
to terms with that kind of Ultimate Loneliness.
 
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dorayme

Els said:
Did you look at your error log? The 'options -indexes' thing must be
enabled, otherwise it just gives an error when you try to access
anything in a folder with that in the .htaccess.

I will need to look at this business of "enabling" it seems.
Where to start?
 
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Els

dorayme said:
I will need to look at this business of "enabling" it seems.
Where to start?

In the config file of Apache - but you're on a shared server?
Just look in the logfiles. If it complains about the options, it needs
enabling. If it doesn't, there is an other problem.

However, if the server isn't yours to configure, you probably have
CPanel, and you can use the Index Manager there to close open
directories.
 
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Leonard Blaisdell

dorayme said:
I will need to look at this business of "enabling" it seems.
Where to start?

I'd start with emailing your ISP as to whether they allow user
configurable "Options -Indexes" in .htaccess. If they don't allow it,
you can't use it on their servers. They configure what options they will
allow you to set in .htaccess by configuring httpd.conf on their end.
You have no control over this.
If you are your own ISP, which I doubt, I have other ideas.

leo
 
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dorayme

Els said:
In the config file of Apache - but you're on a shared server?
Just look in the logfiles. If it complains about the options, it needs
enabling. If it doesn't, there is an other problem.

However, if the server isn't yours to configure, you probably have
CPanel, and you can use the Index Manager there to close open
directories.

Yes, it is for various servers some of which I have little
control over. I don't get much time to fiddle with my own domain
these past few months, not that I am any kind of expert on this
either. I may have to actually do something I hate: ring an ISP
or two (took 1.5 hours last time I rang about a prob for a site I
am making for an organization. Speaker phones come in handy
then... but it is very aggravating anyway! I must go buy a
headset with mike to keep hands free for talking, I think they
must be available at a reasonable cost...)

I will fire off an email to my own ISP and see what gives, that
may give me further clues for other servers... it seems a bit
complicated, but thanks for your remarks.
 
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dorayme

Leonard Blaisdell said:
I'd start with emailing your ISP as to whether they allow user
configurable "Options -Indexes" in .htaccess. If they don't allow it,
you can't use it on their servers. They configure what options they will
allow you to set in .htaccess by configuring httpd.conf on their end.
You have no control over this.
If you are your own ISP, which I doubt, I have other ideas.


I have thought about it! There is so much built into X here. But
you are right. I will send an email.
 
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dorayme

Els said:
In the config file of Apache - but you're on a shared server?
Just look in the logfiles. If it complains about the options, it needs
enabling. If it doesn't, there is an other problem.

However, if the server isn't yours to configure, you probably have
CPanel, and you can use the Index Manager there to close open
directories.

htaccess, shmaccess! It has given me a headache.

For now, I have implemented a simple solution with not much of a
downside (for what I want). Why didn't I think of it before? I have
just put an index file with a notice to say the directory listing is
denied at the levels I want. Yes, this means people need a specific url
to a file in these cases. But that is fine. I do this a lot, when
things overpower my brain, I go primitive... :)

[I am posting from Google - sorry Blinkey - because it is too much
trouble finding things in MT-Newswatcher that are no longer currently
talked about. I wonder if there is a way to look at Google, find the
thread and go back and use the MT to continue the thread without losing
the right headers and all that super scientific stuff so that it looks
like a "natural" reply to the post. Probably too much trouble. I am
also wondering if these remarks are any kind of deeper OT to the thread
heading that was originally so shameleessly veered off]
 
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Els

Els said:
In the config file of Apache - but you're on a shared server?
Just look in the logfiles. If it complains about the options, it needs
enabling. If it doesn't, there is an other problem.

However, if the server isn't yours to configure, you probably have
CPanel, and you can use the Index Manager there to close open
directories.

htaccess, shmaccess! It has given me a headache.

For now, I have implemented a simple solution with not much of a
downside (for what I want). Why didn't I think of it before? I have
just put an index file with a notice to say the directory listing is
denied at the levels I want. Yes, this means people need a specific url
to a file in these cases. But that is fine. I do this a lot, when
things overpower my brain, I go primitive... :)

[I am posting from Google - sorry Blinkey - because it is too much
trouble finding things in MT-Newswatcher that are no longer currently
talked about. I wonder if there is a way to look at Google, find the
thread and go back and use the MT to continue the thread without losing
the right headers and all that super scientific stuff so that it looks
like a "natural" reply to the post. Probably too much trouble. I am
also wondering if these remarks are any kind of deeper OT to the thread
heading that was originally so shameleessly veered off]

Just a reply so that Blinky can read it :)
 
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Leonard Blaisdell

I am posting from Google - sorry Blinkey - because it is too much
trouble finding things in MT-Newswatcher that are no longer currently
talked about.

Option-double-click on a group in the groups window, fill in the blank
and you will get as many articles as you want from one to (don't know).
I haven't tried the upper limit. Google! Honestly!

leo
 
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dorayme

Leonard Blaisdell said:
Option-double-click on a group in the groups window, fill in the blank
and you will get as many articles as you want from one to (don't know).

That is exactly what I don't want to do. I did not want to do it
on dial up because it is too slow, I don't want to do it on my
broadband at the cost of bandwidth and then still search
heavily... perhaps there is a way I don't know to search for
specific things if you know the subject title? Seems pretty
primitive just asking for a number of articles but then it is a
free newsreader and I am not complaining. If Blinkey does not see
a few of my posts, (he is on record, after all, saying he does
not read all my crap), then so be it. I will cope somehow. But I
think of him every time I look at Google. (I must say, it is nice
now and then to see all threaded like they have it... normally i
don't go there. Honest, I don't. I know it is not cool around
here. I know this.)
 
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dorayme

Leonard Blaisdell said:
Google! Honestly!

I have no idea what I said there or why. Googool?

Seemed quite understandable to me. But I better get back to work.
I am trying different colour schemes for a site I have built. It
is not a trivial pursuit it seems... It is my first kosher css
site but if you think i would show it to alt.html at large, you
are all crazy. I like feeling swell. I like illusions. I have
seen too many films not to be a sucker for self-delusions. I run
these latter like a hot bath...

Purple and green...? Maroon and grey... ? I will know when I see
it and the client says nice things...
 
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Leonard Blaisdell

dorayme said:
Purple and green...? Maroon and grey... ? I will know when I see
it and the client says nice things...

And you'll be able change two numbers in one sheet to give them whatever
they want on the whole site!

leo
 

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