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[tholen]

1483> Newsgroups:
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1483> tholen tholed:

What was allegedly endured while writing, dizzy?

1483> But you also claimed "erroneous", tholen, which is false.

What does your classic pontification have to do with OS/2,
dizzy?

1483> Yeah, I figured that you weren't up for the challenge, tholen.

How ironic, coming from the person who isn't up for the challenge
of actually staying on the topic of the newsgroup. Also classic
rationalization for not substantiating the earlier claim.

1483> Non sequitur.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

 

[tholen]

148> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

148> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
to do
148> with OS/2, Pitt?

You should know, Eater, given that you posted about VAXEN running
COBOL in an OS/2 newsgroup.

148> The first person to do so in comp.os.os2.advocacy?

In this thread, Eater.

148> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Classic pontification.

149> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

149> [calls me a liar among other things]

You are a liar, Eater.

149> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, tholenbot.

Who is "tholenbot", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

149> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, tholoon, combined
with a
149> classic erroneous presupposition.

Who is "tholoon", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

150> Newsgroups:
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150> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
OS/2,
150> tholianbot?

Who is "tholianbot", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

151> Newsgroups:
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151> What does your question have to do with OS/2, tholenbot?

Who is "tholenbot", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

151> So are yours, tholenbot.

Who is "tholenbot", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

151> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
to do
151> with OS/2, tholoon?

Who is "tholoon", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

151> On your part, trollian.

Who is "trollian", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

151> On your part, thingamajig.

Who is "thingamajig", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

151> On your part, trolloon.

Who is "trolloon", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

151> What does your pair of classic unsubstantiated and erroneous
claims have
151> to do with OS/2, thalidomide?

Who is "thalidomide", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

152> Newsgroups:
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152> [calls me a liar]

You are a liar, Eater. For example, you lied when you wrote:

"VAX is an operating system, Vajhøj."
--Sulfide Eater

152> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

On your part, Eater.

152> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
to do
152> with OS/2, thingamabob?

Who is "thingamabob", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

153> Newsgroups:
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153> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim. Schilling posted it
to a
153> Java group, Vajhøj -- I only quoted it.

What does your quotation have to do with OS/2, Eater?

153> What does your classic illogic have to do with Java, Vajhøj?

What does your question have to do with OS/2, Eater?

154> Newsgroups:
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154> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim. Schilling posted it
to a
154> Java group -- I only quoted it.

What does your quotation have to do with OS/2, Eater?

154> Classic illogic.

Classic pontification.

154> Who's "the troll", Enderin? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that
154> alias. I note though that the recipient of your advice was
replying to
154> Schilling, Enderin.

You can always add "the troll" to the list of aliases you use, Eater.

154> Who is "Twisted", Enderin? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that
154> alias.

You can always add "Twisted" to the list of aliases you use, Eater.

154> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Classic pontification; when do you intend to learn, Eater?

155> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

155> I didn't write that, Vajhøj, yet you attributed it to
155> me anyway. Classic dishonesty on your part, Vajhøj.

How ironic.

155> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
to do
155> with Java, Vajhøj?

What does your question have to do with OS/2, Eater?

155> Let me give you a little hint: your tone of voice is rude and
155> condescending. Be more polite to others, or else.

Practice what you preach, Eater.

155> What does that have to do with Java, Vajhøj?

What does your question have to do with OS/2, Eater?

156> Newsgroups:
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156> I beg your pardon?

What does your question have to do with OS/2, Eater?

157> Newsgroups:
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157> What does Schilling's classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim
have
157> to do with OS/2, dizzy?

Hardly erroneous, Eater, given that you are a liar.
For example, you lied when you wrote:

"VAX is an operating system, Vajhøj."
--Sulfide Eater

157> What does that have to do with OS/2, dizzy?

You should know, Eater, given that you posted your
claim about VAX being an operating system to an OS/2
newsgroup.

Even kooky astrologers know that. Right, tholen?

What does your question have to do with OS/2, dizzy?

 

[tholen]

59> Newsgroups:
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59> No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about
me
59> are at all true.

What does your denial of Enderin's accusations have to
do with OS/2, Gerrone?

59> P.S. Is there a reason why every couple of weeks somebody
59> spontaneously flames me in cljp? It has been years since I made
any
59> post here *except* to correct a spontaneous, unprovoked attack
like
59> yours.

What does your question have to do with OS/2, Gerrone?

60> Newsgroups:
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60> [snip]

What does your sound effect have to do with OS/2, Gerrone?

60> NO FEEDBACK LOOPS!!

What does your demand have to do with OS/2, Gerrone?

60> None of the nasty things that Lars has said or implied about me
are at
60> all true.

What does your denial of Lars' accusations have to do
with OS/2, Gerrone?

60> I used to use that name here, years ago. I bested Lars in some
60> argument or another and he's been carrying a grudge ever since.
Every
60> so often he randomly flames me out of the blue, usually by
comparing
60> someone else he's flaming to me and both of us to something
60> unpleasant.

What does one of your many aliases have to do with OS/2,
Gerrone?

60> Indeed. None of the nasty things that Lars has said or implied
about
60> me are at all true.

What does your denial of Lars' accusations have to do
with OS/2, Gerrone?

 

[tholen]

26> Newsgroups:
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26> You tell us - you posted it to a Java group.

Sulfide Eater will find a way to avoid admitting that VAX
is not an operating system.

26> You did not seem to get it the first time.

Sulfide Eater didn't get it the second time either.

27> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

27> It is pretty easy to substantiate.

27> Let me give you a little hint: some people have put
27> up a free encyclopedia on the internet called wikipedia.

Sorry, Arne, but wikipedia is hardly what I would rely on
for substantiation. I find errors in wikipedia frequently.

28> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

28> Or what? Or you will start spamming cljp?? Not much threat any
longer!

What do your questions of Sulfide Eater have to do with OS/2,
Arne?

28> Nothing, but if you read it then you will be able
28> to see that you were wrong about VAX.

That would require the assumption that wikipedia is correct,
Arne, but wikipedia often isn't correct. However, I know from
first-hand experience that VAX is not an operating system,
contrary to Sulfide Eater's claim.

29> Newsgroups:
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29> I don't think anyone except mr. sulfide disagree.

What makes you think that Sulfide Eater is a "Mr.", Arne?

29> Now you are talking server not desktop.

AIX can be used on the desktop, Arne, just like Linux.

 

[Sulfide Eater]

OS/2 had uses other than the desktop. It made big inroads into ATM
machines.

That's about the only place it made big inroads.

 

[Sulfide Eater]

As an OS/2 refugee, it seems to me that the operating system in the
1990s was not really "marginal" at all, any more than Mac then was.

So, it was as marginal as MacOS, then -- barely even nibbling at the
edges of Windows's market share.

At work there was a migration from VAX to DOS and finally to a GUI
interface, and a decision had to be made between Windows tacked onto
DOS, Mac, or NeXT, and OS/2 was seriously considered. OS/2 borrowed from
Xerox's research on the GUI to create an operating system for the PS/2,
the first really popular machine. The superiority of OS/2 over the
Windows hack job was well known, but my administration was only familiar
with DOS, and so Windows prevailed.

This story repeated itself all over the world: OS/2 was seriously
considered. And that's as far as it got.

I don't recall that OS/2 was at all obscure, and my rough impression is
that it was better known then than linux is today.

But not nearly as widely used.

There were enthusiastic OS/2 supporter groups in mid 1990s, including an
active group in my own city, which had a much larger attendence than the
current linux group here.

And now all it has in the home team's bleachers is one lonely little
tholenbot ...

 

[Sulfide Eater]

I don't think anyone except mr. sulfide disagree.

I don't disagree with that; only with the claim that it got very much
actual traction on ordinary end-user desktops.

 

[Sulfide Eater]

26> You tell us - you posted it to a Java group.

Sulfide Eater will find a way to avoid admitting

There is nothing to admit, tholenbot.

26> You did not seem to get it the first time.

Sulfide Eater didn't get it the second time either.

There was nothing to get, tholoon.

27> It is pretty easy to substantiate.

27> Let me give you a little hint: some people have put
27> up a free encyclopedia on the internet called wikipedia.

Sorry, Arne, but wikipedia is hardly what I would rely on
for substantiation. I find errors in wikipedia frequently.

Not to mention that kind of condescending tone is the surest way to get
people to ignore you, trillium.

28> Or what? Or you will start spamming cljp?? Not much threat any
longer!

What do your questions of Sulfide Eater have to do with OS/2,
Arne?

Besides, if anyone's been spamming cljp lately it's been Arne, thallium.
More posts than anyone else in the past couple of weeks, thalien -- and
a lot of them repetitive drumbeats with undertones of hostility,
trollen. Roughly half of them not on the topic of Java, tholenoid.

28> Nothing, but if you read it then you will be able
28> to see that you were wrong

What does Arne's classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with Java, I wonder?

That would require the assumption that wikipedia is correct,
Arne, but wikipedia often isn't correct.

Why am I not surprised that the tholenbot is anti-Wikipedia?

contrary to Sulfide Eater's claim.

Any sentence ending with that is guaranteed to be a classic
unsubstanti9ated and erroneous claim, tholian.

29> I don't think anyone except mr. sulfide disagree.

What makes you think that Sulfide Eater is a "Mr.", Arne?

There is a 97% probability that any randomly selected computer geek is
male, thalidomide -- simple statistics.

 

[Sulfide Eater]

148> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
148> to do with OS/2, Pitt?

You should know, Eater, given that you posted about VAXEN running
COBOL in an OS/2 newsgroup.

In response to others, tholenbot.

You are a liar, Eater.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2, thalidomide?

152> [calls me a liar]

You are a liar, Eater.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2, thingamabob?

152> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

On your part, Eater.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2, telomerase?

154> Who's "the troll", Enderin? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that
154> alias. I note though that the recipient of your advice was
replying to
154> Schilling, Enderin.

You can always add "the troll" to the list of aliases you use, Eater.

I'd rather not, tholian.

154> Who is "Twisted", Enderin? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that
154> alias.

You can always add "Twisted" to the list of aliases you use, Eater.

I'd rather not, technicolor.

154> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Classic pontification; when do you intend to learn, Eater?

Classic erroneous presupposition that I have a problem in that area,
trolloon.

155> I didn't write that, Vajhøj, yet you attributed it to
155> me anyway. Classic dishonesty on your part, Vajhøj.

How ironic.

On his part, tholoon.

155> Let me give you a little hint: your tone of voice is rude and
155> condescending. Be more polite to others, or else.

Practice what you preach, Eater.

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with OS/2,
thudbrain?

157> What does Schilling's classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim
have
157> to do with OS/2, dizzy?

Hardly erroneous, Eater, given that you are a liar.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2, trollface?

157> What does that have to do with OS/2, dizzy?

You should know, Eater, given that you posted your
claim about VAX being an operating system to an OS/2
newsgroup.

As a reply, technetium.

 

[Sulfide Eater]

I don't know. You're the one who mentioned Vaxes

In reply to other posts on the tholenbot-bedeviled topic, Pitt.

which are not mainframes

What does your classic tholenoid-like and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2, Pitt?

and Cobol.

What does COBOL, which was probably used to implement the tholenbot,
have to do with OS/2, Pitt?

You seem to be having short term memory problems.

What does your classic tholenator-like and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2, Pitt?

 

[Jerry Gerrone]

60> I used to use that name here, years ago. I bested Lars in some
60> argument or another and he's been carrying a grudge ever since.
Every
60> so often he randomly flames me out of the blue, usually by
comparing
60> someone else he's flaming to me and both of us to something
60> unpleasant.

What does one of your many aliases have to do with OS/2,
Gerrone?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with OS/2,
tholenbot?

 

[Sulfide Eater]

Esmond Pitt <[email protected]> writes:

[calls me a liar among other things]

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, tholenbot.

On the contrary.

What does your classic tholenbotty and erroneous claim have to do with
OS/2, Pitt?

 

[Sulfide Eater]

Not in the slightest.

What does your classic tholenoid-inspired and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2, Pitt?

 

[Sulfide Eater]

Or what? Or you will start spamming cljp??

Of course not. That would be evil.

Nothing, but if you read it then you will be able
to see that you were wrong

What does your classic tholian-excrement-like and erroneous claim have
to do with Java, Vajhøj?

 

[Esmond Pitt]

In reply to other posts on the tholenbot-bedeviled topic, Pitt.

You're the one who mentioned Vaxes and Cobol *first*. Contrary to your lie.

 

[Esmond Pitt]

What does your classic tholenoid-inspired and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2, Pitt?

There was nothing erroneous about my claim. The rest of this is merely
bizarre.

 

[tholen]

158> Newsgroups:
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158> That's about the only place it made big inroads.

Classic pontification.

159> Newsgroups:
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159> So, it was as marginal as MacOS, then -- barely even nibbling at
the
159> edges of Windows's market share.

Windows' market share was the result of monopolistic practices, Eater,
such as giving hardware vendors good deals on Windows if they agreed
to pre-install ONLY Windows and no competing operating systems. Those
that failed to agree were charged a substantially higher price for
Windows, which means that in a market with so-called "razor-thin"
margins, one who didn't agree couldn't compete on price with those who
did. That all came to light in the trial against Microsoft.

Of course, Rolls Royce barely nibbles at the edges of Chevrolet's
market share. So what?

159> This story repeated itself all over the world: OS/2 was
seriously
159> considered. And that's as far as it got.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

159> But not nearly as widely used.

Classic pontification.

159> And now all it has in the home team's bleachers is one lonely
little
159> tholenbot ...

Who is "tholenbot", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

160> Newsgroups:
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160> I don't disagree with that; only with the claim that it got very
much
160> actual traction on ordinary end-user desktops.

Exactly who do you think attended all those OS/2 users meetings,
Eater?

161> Newsgroups:
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161> There is nothing to admit, tholenbot.

Who is "tholenbot", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

161> There was nothing to get, tholoon.

Who is "tholoon", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

161> Not to mention that kind of condescending tone is the surest way
to get
161> people to ignore you, trillium.

Who is "trillium", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

161> Besides, if anyone's been spamming cljp lately it's been Arne,
thallium.

Who is "thallium", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

161> More posts than anyone else in the past couple of weeks, thalien

Who is "thalien", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

161> -- and a lot of them repetitive drumbeats with undertones of
hostility,
161> trollen.

Who is "trollen", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

161> Roughly half of them not on the topic of Java, tholenoid.

Who is "tholenoid", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

161> What does Arne's classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
to do
161> with Java, I wonder?

Who is "I wonder", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

161> Why am I not surprised that the tholenbot is anti-Wikipedia?

Who is "tholenbot", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

161> Any sentence ending with that is guaranteed to be a classic
161> unsubstanti9ated and erroneous claim, tholian.

Who is "tholian", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

161> There is a 97% probability that any randomly selected computer
geek is
161> male, thalidomide -- simple statistics.

Who is "thalidomide", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> Newsgroups:
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162> In response to others, tholenbot.

Who is "tholenbot", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
to do
162> with OS/2, thalidomide?

Who is "thalidomide", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
to do
162> with OS/2, thingamabob?

Who is "thingamabob", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
to do
162> with OS/2, telomerase?

Who is "telomerase", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> I'd rather not, tholian.

Who is "tholian", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> I'd rather not, technicolor.

Who is "technicolor", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> Classic erroneous presupposition that I have a problem in that
area,
162> trolloon.

Who is "trolloon", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> On his part, tholoon.

Who is "tholoon", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
OS/2,
162> thudbrain?

Who is "thudbrain", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
to do
162> with OS/2, trollface?

Who is "trollface", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

162> As a reply, technetium.

Who is "technetium", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

163> Newsgroups:
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163> In reply to other posts on the tholenbot-bedeviled topic, Pitt.

Who is "tholenbot", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

163> What does your classic tholenoid-like and erroneous claim have to
do
163> with OS/2, Pitt?

Who is "tholenoid", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

163> What does COBOL, which was probably used to implement the
tholenbot,
163> have to do with OS/2, Pitt?

Who is "tholenbot", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

163> What does your classic tholenator-like and erroneous claim have
to do
163> with OS/2, Pitt?

Who is "tholenator", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

164> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

164> What does your classic tholenbotty and erroneous claim have to do
with
164> OS/2, Pitt?

Who is "tholenbotty", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

165> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

165> What does your classic tholenoid-inspired and erroneous claim
have to do
165> with OS/2, Pitt?

Who is "tholenoid", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

166> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

166> Of course not. That would be evil.

Hasn't stopped you before, Eater.

166> What does your classic tholian-excrement-like and erroneous claim
have
166> to do with Java, Vajhøj?

Who is "tholian", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

 

[Sulfide Eater]

159> So, it was as marginal as MacOS, then -- barely even nibbling at
159> the edges of Windows's market share.

Windows' market share was the result of monopolistic practices, Eater

Nobody claimed otherwise, thalidomide.

Of course, Rolls Royce barely nibbles at the edges of Chevrolet's
market share.

Of course, Edsel barely nibbled at the edges of Chevrolet's market
share, tholoon.

159> This story repeated itself all over the world: OS/2 was
159> seriously considered. And that's as far as it got.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

On your part, thallium.

160> I don't disagree with that; only with the claim that it got very
160> much actual traction on ordinary end-user desktops.

Exactly who do you think attended all those OS/2 users meetings,
Eater?

OS/2 users, thalien -- all two of them.

161> What does Arne's classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
161> to do with Java, I wonder?

Who is "I wonder", Eater? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

OMFG, he's gone completely 'round the bend now.

166> Of course not. That would be evil.

Hasn't stopped you before, Eater.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2, thiol?

 

[Sulfide Eater]

You're the one who mentioned Vaxes and Cobol *first*. Contrary to your lie.

What does your classic tholenbotty and erroneous claim have to do with
OS/2, Pitt?

 

[Sulfide Eater]

What are un-ordinary end-user desktops? If Sulfide's point is that the
percentage of OS/2 end-users was low, I don't dispute that. On the other
hand, if the percentage was neglible, that as not my experience. Given
the factors determining market share, I would not be inclined to
evaluate the intrinsic merits of an operating system on market share.

The intrinsic merits were not at issue; only its desktop penetration --
or lack thereof.