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Patricia Shanahan
Twisted said:
If you don't want + to show full headers, use View - Headers - Normal.
Patricia
If you don't want + to show full headers, use View - Headers - Normal.
Patricia
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Lew
You might have to. That part was expanded for me by default - I only
discovered the feature when you spoke of it. In my case, it was a little
minus '-' sign that collapsed the display; only then did I see the little plus
'+' sign. I had to go through extra effort to hide the information.
The not-showing of headers and the showing of "Newsgroups" must be default
settings in the current or nearly-current T'bird versions, since I didn't
alter those settings when I installed the product.
With the default settings, I see if messages are cross-posted, but I do not
see full headers. In any event, whatever slight inconvenience I might suffer
to discern this information is far offset by the benefit I can provide to
Twisted and others for whom Google Groups or other tools hinder such actions.
After all, why bestir yourselves to all the effort to click a '+' or type
"Ctrl-U", or review alternative newsgroups? I'll keep you informed. Happy to
help.
discovered the feature when you spoke of it. In my case, it was a little
minus '-' sign that collapsed the display; only then did I see the little plus
'+' sign. I had to go through extra effort to hide the information.
Patricia said:
The not-showing of headers and the showing of "Newsgroups" must be default
settings in the current or nearly-current T'bird versions, since I didn't
alter those settings when I installed the product.
With the default settings, I see if messages are cross-posted, but I do not
see full headers. In any event, whatever slight inconvenience I might suffer
to discern this information is far offset by the benefit I can provide to
Twisted and others for whom Google Groups or other tools hinder such actions.
After all, why bestir yourselves to all the effort to click a '+' or type
"Ctrl-U", or review alternative newsgroups? I'll keep you informed. Happy to
help.
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Steve Wampler
Lew said:
I've got 2.0.0.6 (20070728) [note - updated less than a month ago]
and the "Newsgroups:" line appears automatically as part of the
"Normal" headers. I can't say anything about earlier versions,
but there's no need to do anything special with 2.0.0.6 to see
the "Newsgroups:" line.
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Roedy Green
I have noticed many companies will notify you of tiny upgrades, but
not of major ones.
Periodically I visit the websites of all the products I use regularly
to check for updates. Ideally this could be automated with a standard
protocol. As it is, to automate this, I would have to write custom
code for every product.
One way to implement it would be to have a central database of
products and version numbers. To check, you register the products you
use, then put in a query with your id, and it would tell you the
current versions of all your products. With a bit of cleverness, the
info could be compiled in the background. The transaction could be
very fast, just one lookup, and an array of version numbers in
response.
Somebody then has to manually probe the various versions.
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Roedy Green
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Twisted
Go to hell. Go directly to hell. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
[snip remainder, which is also completely devoid of new and original
content]
At least Kaldrenon's unsolicited flame-mail that I deleted from my
inbox earlier was somewhat creative.
"Somewhat" being the operative term. And there are far more
constructive (not to mention on-topic) ways to channel what talent he
has, such as, say, coming up with novel code to fit specific
requirements during Java programming.
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Twisted
You conveniently snipped other alternative hypotheses that didn't
involve the speculation that you might be a liar.
Although none of the hypotheses seemed especially plausible, for
reasons I outlined.
How the hell do I know? I'd have to take your word for that, and if
there was some percentage in it for you in lying to me, that would be
the first thing you'd lie about.
There's also the fact that what you're saying and what Mozilla's own
update notification code is saying are 100% contradictory -- mutually
exclusive -- cannot both be true at once. And Mozilla has shown no
reason to be distrusted in the past. You on the other hand have a
history of mild-to-moderate flames directed against me, indicating at
least some degree of malicious feeling towards me. This is an obvious
negative factor when deciding whether something you say to me is
credible, I'm afraid.
Do they? Lew could well be a pseudonym you made up that resembles a
"real" name. I certainly have no way of confirming that it isn't (or
that it is).
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Twisted
I haven't seen any update notices in Thunderbird's UI at all in that
time. And I only see "Check for updates to My Extensions and Themes"
in the "Software Update" section under the "Advanced" options.
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nebulous99
That would be rather odd behavior. For commercial companies
especially, since as a rule they make money on major upgrades (which
aren't free) but lose money on minor ones (which are, and cost
bandwidth to roll out to the customer base). Microsoft in particular
has Windoze Update notify you of security fixes, but service packs and
driver updates sometimes are only found by manually querying Windoze
Update in IE. On the other hand, nobody in the world can possibly have
missed the huge advertising fanfare surrounding the launch of Vista.
An open source project has no strategic reason to soft-pedal any sort
of update; one way they can combat commercial software industry FUD is
by being visibly proactive about frequently updating to fix problems
and keeping their user base informed, and being seen to develop and
innovate rapidly while the big guys rest on their copyright-gilded
laurels raking in oodles of free, unworked-for cash without lifting a
finger to improve their product. Well, except every few years when the
market saturates and they need to sell some major new version to
uncork another enormous cash flow because the previous one is starting
to dry up at long last. Then they twiddle around, give some old hag of
a product (e.g. Windoze) a facelift, throw a bone to the entertainment
industry with some nasty new DRM, and muck about with the internals as
a way of throwing a bone to third-party developers and hardware
companies, all of whom in turn will require the new version OS with
their next version of their software or actually bundle it (and charge
for it) with their hardware. A nice cozy arrangement of mutual
kickbacks of the usual kind found in any mature industrial sector, in
other words.
Customers, of course, get a creaky slow fat cranky old witch with a
million-dollar face stretched a little too tightly over her bones, and
quite the gold-digging bitch as it turns out too, named something nice-
sounding like, say, "Vista"...
P.S. I DEMAND THAT THE "YOUR ACCOUNT HAS EXCEEDED OUR POSTING LIMIT AT
THIS TIME" NEVER APPEAR TO ME AGAIN. THERE IS NO LIMIT THAT
LEGITIMATELY APPLIES TO ME. I AM NOT A SPAMMER AND I MUST HAVE THE
RIGHT TO REPLY TO FLAMES AND OTHER NONSENSE DIRECTED AGAINST ME. HAVE
I MADE MYSELF CLEAR? STOP DOING THAT AT ONCE, WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE.
I HAVE CERTAINLY NOT POSTED AN UNREASONABLY LARGE NUMBER OF MESSAGES
TODAY. I DO NOT APPRECIATE BEING ACCUSED OF SPAMMING; BEING FOBBED OFF
WITH AN "IF YOU BELIEVE THIS TO BE IN ERROR" LINK THAT CONSPICUOUSLY
DOESN'T WORK; OR BEING FORCED TO JUMP THROUGH GRATUITOUS HOOPS JUST TO
PARTICIPATE NORMALLY IN A USENET NEWSGROUP. DO NOT DO ANY OF THOSE
THINGS TO ME EVER AGAIN!
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Lew
Twisted said:
Did you go to the Thunderbird website to see what the current version is,
since this discussion started?
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Lew
How the hell do I know? I'd have to take your word for that, and if
there was some percentage in it for you in lying to me, that would be
the first thing you'd lie about.
My, you're distrustful. I really think you should stop calling me a liar, you
attack-poster.
Did you go to Thunderbird's website and confirm objectively what I said? I
not only made claims, I provided the means to objectively confirm or refute
them. I don't see any effort on your part to avail yourself of that objective
confirmation, or refutal.
I know, why should you bother? Because until you do, your labeling me a liar
is an insult and an attack, which is inconsistent with your stated position
about netiquette. You talk the talk, now walk the walk.
Lew said:
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Roedy Green
I have collected a list of newsreaders at
http://mindprod.com/jgloss/newsreader.html
If I have missed any, please let me know.
I use Agent, which I am reasonably happy with.
http://mindprod.com/jgloss/newsreader.html
If I have missed any, please let me know.
I use Agent, which I am reasonably happy with.
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nebulous99
No, just prudent enough not to take anything I read on usenet with
zero grains of salt, that's all.
[claims once again that I labeled him something when actually I listed
it as only one of several possibilities *and* admitted that *none* of
them actually seemed plausible]
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Lew
Oh, all right then. I apologize for misunderstanding what you said.
R