I'm in the process of learning .NET but I have an issue. How do you
know what CAN exist. What I mean is how does a person know to use the
string.todate or something like that? There are so many additions and
changes from traditional, how do you know what to use for what you
need without having a HUGE reference book of all the possibilities? I
guess I'm a little intimidated by the vast amount of information.
easy that pretty soon companies will have their
receptionists doing it in their downtime (Remember what FrontPage did to
the field of web development?)
such as using the Enterprise Library application blocks for data access,
exception handling and logging. Maybe you thought that since I'm FEMALE I
don't know anything about programming, but notice that I didn't start my
response with "Just another sexist moron who thinks he knows everything,
but will obviously soon be unemployed..." because I think it's not only
rude to make assumptions about people, but that's not the purpose of this
newsgroup.
Who is making assumptions? Did I say anything about you being
"FEMALE"? For all I knew, you were a Japanese male named "Kim." Who,
in fact, has now announced to the world that they are sexist? The
only thing I held against you was irresponsibility in making a remark
that is not only unhelpful, but harmful to anyone who believes it.
Therefore, by your own logic ("it's not only rude to make assumptions
about people, but that's not the purpose of this newsgroup") you are
yourself guilty of what you condemn me for. Do you have the character
to admit it?
1. more women's [first names] end in vowels than do men's [first names]
(an objective fact)
2. men tend to be physically taller than women (also beyond opinion or
bias)
Frankie said:<< For all I knew, you were a Japanese male named "Kim.">>
Something to back you up on this, Kevin:
1. more women's [first names] end in vowels than do men's [first names]
(an objective fact)
2. men tend to be physically taller than women (also beyond opinion or
bias)
Therefore we can conclude that anyone named "Kim" is more likely to be
male than female, AND that KeviN Spencer and KiM Quigley are [more likely
than not] to see things "eye-to-eye".
-HTH
Kevin Spencer said:Who is making assumptions? Did I say anything about you being "FEMALE"?
For all I knew, you were a Japanese male named "Kim." Who, in fact, has
now announced to the world that they are sexist? The only thing I held
against you was irresponsibility in making a remark that is not only
unhelpful, but harmful to anyone who believes it. Therefore, by your own
logic ("it's not only rude to make assumptions about people, but that's
not the purpose of this newsgroup") you are yourself guilty of what you
condemn me for. Do you have the character to admit it?
I was responding specifically to your statement (quoting again):
Note that you did not qualify your statement. This statement was made, in
fact, to a person who admittedly knows very little and is looking for
reliable information. That information is simply misleading at best.
Programming is a serious discipline, and even people doing the most
academic of exercises using the "training wheels" that Visual Studio.Net
makes available for beginners have trouble doing them. They are here
every day. The idea that "receptionists doing it in their downtime" could
begin to program, even using Visual Studio.Net, is ludicrous. And when
someone who wants to learn comes here with a sincere question, and this
type of answer is given to them, I cannot keep silent. Not because I'm
"sexist" but because I care enough to risk the wrath of people like you,
in order to give people the truth they need to succeed.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
Kevin Spencer said:Hi Frankie,
1. more women's [first names] end in vowels than do men's [first names]
(an objective fact)
Would that mean that you are more likely to be female?
2. men tend to be physically taller than women (also beyond opinion or
bias)
However, younger people in the U.S. (and I'm only guessing that Kim comes
from the U.S.) tend to be taller than older people statistically. The
average height of humans in the U.S. has been growing since WWII. So,
knowing that I'm 49, and assuming that Kim is much younger than I (again,
I'm only guessing), the height difference might be debatable. For the
record, I am 5' 10" tall.
--
ROFLMOD,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
Also, we need to take
Frankie said:<< For all I knew, you were a Japanese male named "Kim.">>
Something to back you up on this, Kevin:
1. more women's [first names] end in vowels than do men's [first names]
(an objective fact)
2. men tend to be physically taller than women (also beyond opinion or
bias)
Therefore we can conclude that anyone named "Kim" is more likely to be
male than female, AND that KeviN Spencer and KiM Quigley are [more likely
than not] to see things "eye-to-eye".
-HTH
Kevin Spencer said:And just to set the record straight, I DO develop using best practices,
such as using the Enterprise Library application blocks for data
access, exception handling and logging. Maybe you thought that since
I'm FEMALE I don't know anything about programming, but notice that I
didn't start my response with "Just another sexist moron who thinks he
knows everything, but will obviously soon be unemployed..." because I
think it's not only rude to make assumptions about people, but that's
not the purpose of this newsgroup.
Who is making assumptions? Did I say anything about you being "FEMALE"?
For all I knew, you were a Japanese male named "Kim." Who, in fact, has
now announced to the world that they are sexist? The only thing I held
against you was irresponsibility in making a remark that is not only
unhelpful, but harmful to anyone who believes it. Therefore, by your own
logic ("it's not only rude to make assumptions about people, but that's
not the purpose of this newsgroup") you are yourself guilty of what you
condemn me for. Do you have the character to admit it?
I was responding specifically to your statement (quoting again):
Are you using Visual Studio.net? It makes writing .net applications
so easy that pretty soon companies will have their
receptionists doing it in their downtime (Remember what FrontPage did
to the field of web development?)
Note that you did not qualify your statement. This statement was made,
in fact, to a person who admittedly knows very little and is looking for
reliable information. That information is simply misleading at best.
Programming is a serious discipline, and even people doing the most
academic of exercises using the "training wheels" that Visual Studio.Net
makes available for beginners have trouble doing them. They are here
every day. The idea that "receptionists doing it in their downtime"
could begin to program, even using Visual Studio.Net, is ludicrous. And
when someone who wants to learn comes here with a sincere question, and
this type of answer is given to them, I cannot keep silent. Not because
I'm "sexist" but because I care enough to risk the wrath of people like
you, in order to give people the truth they need to succeed.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
I think you misunderstood the point I was making. I didn't say it that
anyone could develop a quality application with FrontPage or Visual
Studio using them the "easy way" but that doesn't change the fact that
Visual Studio is an extremely useful, time-saving tool even if you do it
the right way. Didn't you notice that before FrontPage, companies paid a
lot of money to hire web developers (and back then a web developer was
just someone who knew HTML) and then when FrontPage came out, there was
a huge boom of crappy websites and a LOT of unemployed web developers?
One of the things about VisualStudio that makes it faster than
developing in notepad is that you can type an object name and then the
'.' and all of its properties and methods appear there. This is a great
way for beginners to learn about what objects can do.
And just to set the record straight, I DO develop using best practices,
such as using the Enterprise Library application blocks for data
access, exception handling and logging. Maybe you thought that since
I'm FEMALE I don't know anything about programming, but notice that I
didn't start my response with "Just another sexist moron who thinks he
knows everything, but will obviously soon be unemployed..." because I
think it's not only rude to make assumptions about people, but that's
not the purpose of this newsgroup.
Are you using Visual Studio.net? It makes writing .net applications
so easy that pretty soon companies will have their
receptionists doing it in their downtime (Remember what FrontPage did
to the field of web development?)
Another victim of the marketing demons, I see.
You obviously do not have any idea of one-tenth of what can be done
with Visual Studio.Net, nor one-tenth of what ASP.Net applications do.
Yes, you can write some very simple, very common, and very small-time
applications with Visual Studio.Net, and know next-to-nothing about
programming. However, as I mentioned, that accounts for, at the very
most, perhaps one-tenth of what sort of applications are being
developed, and what sort of uses Visual Studio.Net is designed for.
I don't know if I qualify as a "die-hard coder," but I certainly don't
use NotePad. I use Visual Studio.Net, and I use the heck out of it.
But as far as drag-n-drop database connections and ready-made
components go, I'm afraid that the sort of apps I work on demand much
much more. And Visual Studio.Net has all the tools I need to build
them. Still, in all my years of programming, it has never gotten to be
"easy" to do my job, and while VS.Net certainly extends my
productivity, the problems I work on continue to expand to fit my
current ever-expanding capabilities.
As far as FrontPage is concerned, there has been some unfortunate
marketing there as well. Spend a little time in the FrontPage
newsgroup if you think anyone can develop professional web sites with
FrontPage and no prior knowledge of HTML and the WWW.
There has nver been, nor will there ever be, at least until computers
are as smart as humans, and as creative, a product that will be a
substitute for knowledge, experience and hard work. Anyone that
believes otherwise will never rise to their potential.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
Are you using Visual Studio.net? It makes writing .net applications so
easy that pretty soon companies will have their receptionists doing it
in their downtime (Remember what FrontPage did to the field of web
development?)
I know there are some die hard coders out there trying to develop in
notepad and I think they're just wasting time trying to be elite.
I'm in the process of learning .NET but I have an issue. How do you
know what CAN exist. What I mean is how does a person know to use the
string.todate or something like that? There are so many additions and
changes from traditional, how do you know what to use for what you
need without having a HUGE reference book of all the possibilities? I
guess I'm a little intimidated by the vast amount of information.
Frankie said:<< Would that mean that you are more likely to be female?>>
Likely - yes. Actually - no (in fact, it's quite an assumption to think my
first name is in fact Frankie!).
Kevin Spencer said:Hi Frankie,
1. more women's [first names] end in vowels than do men's [first names]
(an objective fact)
Would that mean that you are more likely to be female?
2. men tend to be physically taller than women (also beyond opinion or
bias)
However, younger people in the U.S. (and I'm only guessing that Kim comes
from the U.S.) tend to be taller than older people statistically. The
average height of humans in the U.S. has been growing since WWII. So,
knowing that I'm 49, and assuming that Kim is much younger than I (again,
I'm only guessing), the height difference might be debatable. For the
record, I am 5' 10" tall.
--
ROFLMOD,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
Also, we need to take
Frankie said:<< For all I knew, you were a Japanese male named "Kim.">>
Something to back you up on this, Kevin:
1. more women's [first names] end in vowels than do men's [first names]
(an objective fact)
2. men tend to be physically taller than women (also beyond opinion or
bias)
Therefore we can conclude that anyone named "Kim" is more likely to be
male than female, AND that KeviN Spencer and KiM Quigley are [more
likely than not] to see things "eye-to-eye".
-HTH
And just to set the record straight, I DO develop using best
practices, such as using the Enterprise Library application blocks for
data access, exception handling and logging. Maybe you thought that
since I'm FEMALE I don't know anything about programming, but notice
that I didn't start my response with "Just another sexist moron who
thinks he knows everything, but will obviously soon be unemployed..."
because I think it's not only rude to make assumptions about people,
but that's not the purpose of this newsgroup.
Who is making assumptions? Did I say anything about you being "FEMALE"?
For all I knew, you were a Japanese male named "Kim." Who, in fact, has
now announced to the world that they are sexist? The only thing I held
against you was irresponsibility in making a remark that is not only
unhelpful, but harmful to anyone who believes it. Therefore, by your
own logic ("it's not only rude to make assumptions about people, but
that's not the purpose of this newsgroup") you are yourself guilty of
what you condemn me for. Do you have the character to admit it?
I was responding specifically to your statement (quoting again):
Are you using Visual Studio.net? It makes writing .net applications
so easy that pretty soon companies will have their
receptionists doing it in their downtime (Remember what FrontPage
did to the field of web development?)
Note that you did not qualify your statement. This statement was made,
in fact, to a person who admittedly knows very little and is looking
for reliable information. That information is simply misleading at
best. Programming is a serious discipline, and even people doing the
most academic of exercises using the "training wheels" that Visual
Studio.Net makes available for beginners have trouble doing them. They
are here every day. The idea that "receptionists doing it in their
downtime" could begin to program, even using Visual Studio.Net, is
ludicrous. And when someone who wants to learn comes here with a
sincere question, and this type of answer is given to them, I cannot
keep silent. Not because I'm "sexist" but because I care enough to risk
the wrath of people like you, in order to give people the truth they
need to succeed.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
I think you misunderstood the point I was making. I didn't say it that
anyone could develop a quality application with FrontPage or Visual
Studio using them the "easy way" but that doesn't change the fact that
Visual Studio is an extremely useful, time-saving tool even if you do
it the right way. Didn't you notice that before FrontPage, companies
paid a lot of money to hire web developers (and back then a web
developer was just someone who knew HTML) and then when FrontPage came
out, there was a huge boom of crappy websites and a LOT of unemployed
web developers?
One of the things about VisualStudio that makes it faster than
developing in notepad is that you can type an object name and then the
'.' and all of its properties and methods appear there. This is a
great way for beginners to learn about what objects can do.
And just to set the record straight, I DO develop using best
practices, such as using the Enterprise Library application blocks for
data access, exception handling and logging. Maybe you thought that
since I'm FEMALE I don't know anything about programming, but notice
that I didn't start my response with "Just another sexist moron who
thinks he knows everything, but will obviously soon be unemployed..."
because I think it's not only rude to make assumptions about people,
but that's not the purpose of this newsgroup.
Are you using Visual Studio.net? It makes writing .net applications
so easy that pretty soon companies will have their
receptionists doing it in their downtime (Remember what FrontPage
did to the field of web development?)
Another victim of the marketing demons, I see.
You obviously do not have any idea of one-tenth of what can be done
with Visual Studio.Net, nor one-tenth of what ASP.Net applications
do. Yes, you can write some very simple, very common, and very
small-time applications with Visual Studio.Net, and know
next-to-nothing about programming. However, as I mentioned, that
accounts for, at the very most, perhaps one-tenth of what sort of
applications are being developed, and what sort of uses Visual
Studio.Net is designed for.
I don't know if I qualify as a "die-hard coder," but I certainly
don't use NotePad. I use Visual Studio.Net, and I use the heck out of
it. But as far as drag-n-drop database connections and ready-made
components go, I'm afraid that the sort of apps I work on demand much
much more. And Visual Studio.Net has all the tools I need to build
them. Still, in all my years of programming, it has never gotten to
be "easy" to do my job, and while VS.Net certainly extends my
productivity, the problems I work on continue to expand to fit my
current ever-expanding capabilities.
As far as FrontPage is concerned, there has been some unfortunate
marketing there as well. Spend a little time in the FrontPage
newsgroup if you think anyone can develop professional web sites with
FrontPage and no prior knowledge of HTML and the WWW.
There has nver been, nor will there ever be, at least until computers
are as smart as humans, and as creative, a product that will be a
substitute for knowledge, experience and hard work. Anyone that
believes otherwise will never rise to their potential.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
Are you using Visual Studio.net? It makes writing .net applications
so easy that pretty soon companies will have their receptionists
doing it in their downtime (Remember what FrontPage did to the field
of web development?)
I know there are some die hard coders out there trying to develop in
notepad and I think they're just wasting time trying to be elite.
I'm in the process of learning .NET but I have an issue. How do you
know what CAN exist. What I mean is how does a person know to use
the string.todate or something like that? There are so many
additions and changes from traditional, how do you know what to use
for what you need without having a HUGE reference book of all the
possibilities? I guess I'm a little intimidated by the vast amount
of information.
Thank you, Amedee! I had never researched my first name so
extensively, although I was aware that it was basically Irish, and
that one of the definitons of it was "handsome." I've never thought
of myself as particularly handsome, but some women have told me
otherwise from time to time. I do know that my ancestry is both Irish
and English, although my personality is definitely more English! ;-)
So, what is the etymology of Amadee? I would have to guess that it is
similar to "Amadeus" which, I believe, means "Love of God."
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