New python.org website

[Phoe6]

beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks "more official" and maximum possible information about python is
now directly accessible from the home page itself. Kudoes to the
design team.


Senthil
http://phoe6.livejournal.com

 

[mwt]

Wow. That does look fantastic. Thumbs up!

 

[Ian Parker]

beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks "more official" and maximum possible information about python is
now directly accessible from the home page itself. Kudoes to the
design team.


Senthil
http://phoe6.livejournal.com

I like the look of it generally, however two points:
1) There is no way to return to the Home page from the LHS menu. You
can click on Python In the logo but that's perhaps not obvious
2) I think the logo is a little faint, washed-out. I'd prefer something
more dynamic, or at least brighter.

(I suppose this shows how superficial my checking was!)

Regards

Ian

 

[Nicola Musatti]

beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks "more official" and maximum possible information about python is
now directly accessible from the home page itself. Kudoes to the
design team.

Sigh! Another of these sites that all look the same, with two
screenfuls of info on the home page that are going to be in the way of
every returning user...

Not to mention the dull color scheme and the unremarkable logo. I can't
say I'm impressed.

Cheers,
Nicola Musatti

 

[Michael Tobis]

While the new one is much better than the old website, the logo strikes
me as awful.

I tried to suggest repurposing the much better PyCon logo, but it
didn't raise the vast groundswell of support I wanted it to. But for
whatever its worth I'll try again. My rant is here:

http://tinyurl.com/rkq3s

mt

 

[projecktzero]

I think the new site is great. I really don't understand all the nit
picking that's going on from the armchair web designers. The new site
is clean and professional. It needs to go live soon!

 

[projecktzero]

Oops...it is live. Cool!

 

[Steven Bethard]

beta.python.org evolved very nice and noticed today the new python.org
website going live. There is a change in the look n feel, wherein it
looks "more official" and maximum possible information about python is
now directly accessible from the home page itself. Kudoes to the
design team.

I want to second that!

A moment aside to all the complainers. If you don't like the format,
color scheme, etc., could you take a half an hour and mock up a better
format that shows what you'd like to see? Honestly, if you come up with
a style that everyone agrees is better than what's there now, I'd bet
people would be glad to change it. Especially if it's just switching a
CSS stylesheet.


STeVe

 

[Kay Schluehr]

I want to second that!

A moment aside to all the complainers. If you don't like the format,
color scheme, etc., could you take a half an hour and mock up a better
format that shows what you'd like to see? Honestly, if you come up with
a style that everyone agrees is better than what's there now, I'd bet
people would be glad to change it. Especially if it's just switching a
CSS stylesheet.


STeVe

Steven, that's not how design works. That's more a feverish dream of
techies about painture and the relationship bewteen expression, color
and space: replace the theme, fumble around your style-sheet... No one
of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much
better. But I think at times it might be usefull to consult
professional aid. I'm still not sure what the PSF is for...

Kay

 

[Max M]

I think the new site is great. I really don't understand all the nit
picking that's going on from the armchair web designers.

It's a nice site. It is not ugly, and its easy to navigate.

*much* better than the old site,


--

hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark

http://www.mxm.dk/
IT's Mad Science

 

[Max M]

Comparing:

http://www.python.org/
http://www.perl.org/
http://www.java.org/
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
http://java.sun.com/
http://www.php.net/


It is pretty easy to see that http://www.python.org/ is both prettier
than the rest, and has a far better structure.


--

hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark

http://www.mxm.dk/
IT's Mad Science

 

[Roy Smith]

The first two links on the "News and Announcements" are dead -- they get
you a "404 File Not Found". I've opened a critical ticket on this in the
bug tracker. I see there's another ticket open already on a similar issue.

My recommendation would be that if these can't be resolved in very short
order. to revert to the old site until these are fixed.

 

[Tim Parkin]

The first two links on the "News and Announcements" are dead -- they get
you a "404 File Not Found". I've opened a critical ticket on this in the
bug tracker. I see there's another ticket open already on a similar issue.

My recommendation would be that if these can't be resolved in very short
order. to revert to the old site until these are fixed.

fixed

 

[Ted]

Hear hear!

I like it. It's not perfect but is much better than the old one in all
ways. A huge improvement.

Thanks to the website team.

 

[Ant]

I like it personally. Nice clean look and feel, and the logo is much
better than the old cheesy green python. Has a more professional feel
to it, which can be important if you want to use the language outside
of your free time...

 

[Michael Tobis]

No one

of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much
better.

Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to
notice it has bugs.

On the other hand, (since I think the design, while not brilliant, is
good) fixing the logo is something that can be achieved without too
much fuss.

But I think at times it might be usefull to consult
professional aid.

In the case of the logo design, I am not sure I agree.

I think the twisted logo

http://saph.twistedmatrix.com/blog/archives/twisted.png

and the PyCon logo

http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/Python/pub/old-www/pics/pycon-logo.gif

were probably not designed by professional designers but rather by
people who appreciate Python, and yet do have more appeal to the
community and the outside world alike. If we are going to use a snake
motif, we should use snakes that look like snakes.

I suspect the current shy-tadpoles design was outsourced.

(At one point NBC abandoned their very recognizable peacock for a
totally vapid geometric design, for which they paid many thousands of
dollars. (Including a huge settlement with a Nebraska TV station whose
logo they had essentially copied) Eventually they reverted to a
somewhat stylized peacock, which was a much better idea.) See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadcasting_Company_logos

It's also interesting in passing to notice that another one of NBC's
non-peacock logos was called the "snake", for reasons that will escape
anyone who has not seen it animated.

In any case, I will probably take a little more time to make the case
that the shy tadpoles logo is a mistake.

Finally, I disagree that the current logo is better than the neutral
but consistently used php logo or the very clever java coffee mug logo,
and notably the Ruby on Rails logo, which is first rate.

mt

 

[Fredrik Lundh]

Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to
notice it has bugs.

just wait until you mention that rottened egg you found yesterday, and
all the chickens in the world start calling you names...

</F>

 

[Michael]

Steven, that's not how design works. That's more a feverish dream of
techies about painture and the relationship bewteen expression, color
and space: replace the theme, fumble around your style-sheet... No one
of the complainers and negativists do claim that they could do it much
better. But I think at times it might be usefull to consult
professional aid. I'm still not sure what the PSF is for...
Kay

It's not bad looking though so I don't think it needs a huge remake.
Just a little more color. With HTML designed for CSS you can do a lot
with some tweaks to the stylesheets too. I don't have time to spend a
lot of effort on redesigning other peoples websites though.

 

[Kay Schluehr]

Indeed, I do not have to be able to write a particular program to
notice it has bugs.

On the other hand, (since I think the design, while not brilliant, is
good) fixing the logo is something that can be achieved without too
much fuss.


In the case of the logo design, I am not sure I agree.

I think the twisted logo

http://saph.twistedmatrix.com/blog/archives/twisted.png

and the PyCon logo

http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/Python/pub/old-www/pics/pycon-logo.gif

were probably not designed by professional designers but rather by
people who appreciate Python, and yet do have more appeal to the
community and the outside world alike. If we are going to use a snake
motif, we should use snakes that look like snakes.

Maybe its time for me to abandone this discussion. If you and others
feel quite well represented by a pasty and wordy snake than go for it.
I do neither feel embraced nor bitten by it. And I don't just mean the
logo. We can do an awfull lot of comparisons with pages that failed but
this doesn't bring forth anything.

This evening we talked at the Hofbraeuhaus at Munich about Michelangelo
whose sixtine chapel images where once overpainted because his figures
appeared naked "as god created them". But maybe he was wrong and his
customer, the pope, was right and they were actually born with a leaf
covered their pubic hairs? The pope had to take responsibility and had
to appease possible and real critics. We can assume he was far from
being an idiot but a serious man - a politician. As a serious person
myself I'm always a little splitted between Michelangelo and the pope.
My own idealism expects Michelangelo doing such outstanding things that
it is beyond anything. Nothing could be better than having the uptights
as the most severe enemies. What a fun! But as it seems my political
party is guided by ordinary indifferent humans as well and Michelangelo
may be as much attracted by it as I am by e.g. the german social
democratic party? So I should track back and rethink "the professional
aid" which might be not what I'm really looking for. Guido feels a deep
joy about the resonance between Python and an programmer and artist -
Juergen Scheible - who likes the language, feels inspired by it and
creates a little artwork for Nokia 60s. So there is some inversion in
the right direction. Suddenly Python appears a bit distorted within
another context and it becomes sexy again. Should we talk about Apple
next ... ?

 

[Peter Mayne]

This evening we talked at the Hofbraeuhaus at Munich about Michelangelo
whose sixtine chapel images where once overpainted because his figures
appeared naked "as god created them".

That's why Michelangelo didn't design the new Python web site: because
Google wouldn't display it with SafeSearch turned on.

PJDM