OT (that means off topic) FireFox Review

[WebcastMaker]

Well, installed firefox and I loved it. Let me start with the CONS:

But the biggest CON is that I can not bypass the popup blocker by
pressing a key while clicking the link.

It does not support Live connect (javascript talking to plugins, or in
IE's case ActiveX)

Ok that's all the cons I could come up with. PROs are too many to
mention here. But that popup blocker issue could be a show stopper for
me.

Someone needs to write an extension to solve that issue. Speaking of
extensions, I like the google bar one and the w3c validation one.

 

[Leif K-Brooks]

Well, installed firefox and I loved it. Let me start with the CONS:

But the biggest CON is that I can not bypass the popup blocker by
pressing a key while clicking the link.

A Javascript link that triggers a popup, you mean? Firefox doesn't block
popups that you trigger by clicking links or buttons, just ones that
come from an onload or similar event.

 

[mbstevens]

Well, installed firefox and I loved it. Let me start with the CONS:
........
It does not support Live connect (javascript talking to plugins, or in
IE's case ActiveX)

I'm under the impression that most people leave IE to get *away* from
leaking sandboxes.

 

[SpaceGirl]

Well, installed firefox and I loved it. Let me start with the CONS:

But the biggest CON is that I can not bypass the popup blocker by
pressing a key while clicking the link.

It does not support Live connect (javascript talking to plugins, or in
IE's case ActiveX)

Ok that's all the cons I could come up with. PROs are too many to
mention here. But that popup blocker issue could be a show stopper for
me.

Someone needs to write an extension to solve that issue. Speaking of
extensions, I like the google bar one and the w3c validation one.

PR1 is also VERY unstable... also it *lies* a lot. Clear the cache in
it... guess what? The cache doesn't clear. Flash reguarly crashes it.
Several of my fave plugs dont work any more.

PR1 is a *huge* step back... I never had a single problem with 0.9.3,
but PR1 is a heap of poo

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[WebcastMaker]

PR1 is also VERY unstable... also it *lies* a lot. Clear the cache in
it... guess what? The cache doesn't clear. Flash reguarly crashes it.
Several of my fave plugs dont work any more.

which ones?

PR1 is a *huge* step back... I never had a single problem with 0.9.3,
but PR1 is a heap of poo

I have found several things won't run. According to a friend at MCI,
PVCS doesn't run in it. But all and all I am happy with it, but still
playing.

 

[Martin Jay]

PROs are too many to mention here. But that popup blocker issue could
be a show stopper for me.

You can't just leave it like that.

For me, the pros are:

tabbed browsing. How did I ever surf without it? One extremely useful
feature is that you can open up pages in the background, while retaining
focus on the current page;

integrated search bar and pop-up blocker is good. I previously obtained
these features in IE by using Google's toolbar;

view source is colour-coded;

it's very light on its feet. The basic browser is less than 5MBytes to
download;

constantly being updated, so any bugs are fairly quickly fixed.

I was put off using Firefox sometime ago because it didn't render many
of the web sites I regularly visit "correctly." Firefox now seems to
duplicate many of the bugs, or do I mean features, in IE.

Anyone who writes HTML, as most here probably do, should have several
browsers on their development system to check pages against.

 

[Aginrikr]

Well, installed firefox and I loved it. Let me start with the CONS:

Try Opera, best browser so far, imho.

Aginrikr

 

[Karl Groves]

Try Opera, best browser so far, imho.

I think Opera is junk. I think the interface is ugly, and I don't plan on
EVER buying the full version so I can be free of ads. I think it is bullshit
for them to charge for something that I can get for free from Mozilla (that
is, a mostly standards-compliant browser that supports tabbed browsing and
popup blocking)

-Karl

 

[Martin Jay]

"WebcastMaker" <[email protected]> skrev i melding

Try Opera, best browser so far, imho.

Because...?

 

[WebcastMaker]

Try Opera, best browser so far, imho.

I have, as recently as the last version. (I still have that installed
on my machine for some testing) but I just never liked it. Can't put a
finger on why, I just didn't.

 

[Jim Higson]

I think Opera is junk. I think the interface is ugly, and I don't plan on
EVER buying the full version so I can be free of ads. I think it is
bullshit for them to charge for something that I can get for free from
Mozilla (that is, a mostly standards-compliant browser that supports
tabbed browsing and popup blocking)

Little over strong there. I'm as for free software as anyone, but if people
want to try to make money using other models that's up to them.

And Opera is fast as hell.

Sometimes I wonder if Opera would be better off GPL'ing the desktop browser
but selling their web expertise, for example producing custom versions for
mobile phone makers.

 

[Andrew Urquhart]

*Karl Groves* wrote in alt.html:

I think Opera is junk. I think the interface is ugly,

I can't see enough of the (standard, non-customised) interface to see
how anyone could form such sufficiently strong opinions:
http://www.opera.com/docs/screenshots/750/03/

and I don't plan on EVER buying the full version so I can be free of
ads. I think it is bullshit for them to charge for something that I
can get for free from Mozilla (that is, a mostly standards-compliant
browser that supports tabbed browsing and popup blocking)

Firefox gets better and better, one day I may switch to it as my main
browser - but not just yet. Opera has had most of Firefox's innovative
features for some time and as a result Opera seems more refined. I still
find it a better browsing experience, I feel more in control, and I'm
happy to pay for quality (hence I rarely buy software!) However, since
the differences between Opera and Firefox are now negligible, I'd find
it very difficult to justify paying for it if I started using Opera
today.

 

[emma1frost]

I can put my finger on why. It lacks functionality. There are just
certain websites that won't work with Opera--the San Diego Zoo, for
example. Not a problem with Firefox.

 

[Toby Inkster]

I can put my finger on why. It lacks functionality. There are just
certain websites that won't work with Opera--the San Diego Zoo, for
example. Not a problem with Firefox.

That's almost certainly because the San Diego Zoo lets its chimpanzees run
the website.

Opera 7.x has far more functionality than Firefox -- and it's all packed
into a smaller download.

 

[Mitja]

I can put my finger on why. It lacks functionality. There
are just
certain websites that won't work with Opera--the San
Diego Zoo, for
example. Not a problem with Firefox.

Please don't top-post.

What lacks functionality here are that site's javascript-based menus, not Opera. May I also mention that exclusively for the menus
to work, the guys at San Diego Zoo felt it only natural to use 80kB of code. I'm 99% sure that the reason menus don't work with
opera is the use of non-standard DOMs, too.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

I can put my finger on why. It lacks functionality. There are just
certain websites that won't work with Opera--the San Diego Zoo, for
example. Not a problem with Firefox.

Looks fine, works fine here. Watching the panda cam refresh every five
or six seconds, as I type.

Opera 7.23.

 

[C A Upsdell]

Looks fine, works fine here. Watching the panda cam refresh every five
or six seconds, as I type.

Opera 7.23.

You should go to 7.54: more capable, fewer bugs, and known security issues
fixed.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

You should go to 7.54: more capable, fewer bugs, and known security issues
fixed.

Yeah. I should probably do the same with my OS, too.

One word: lazy.

Well, and WRT Opera security, that's not much of an issue here in Linux.

Meanwhile, I've read that there's wonky JS on that site. There's
something one rarely sees! I didn't happen to try any JS when
I was there.