Please criticize my website.

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Luigi Donatello Asero

Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
Doesn't matter. Your page looks exactly the same to me. I gave you a
screen shot as well, a week or so ago. Firefox 1.0.7, Win2K. The
operating system doesn't matter; it is your page design (or lack
thereof).


The table was not broken when I browsed it by Firefox.

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(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
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Luigi Donatello Asero

Luigi Donatello Asero said:
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet


The table was not broken when I browsed it by Firefox.


First some of you suggested that I should install Firefox and check it up
how it displayed the page, later when I told you that I had done it and that
it displayed
the homepage without breaking the page and in another way as your picture
shows, you are still arguing that it is not displayed properly.
Either Firefox should not be the browser to base your statements on and you
might suggest another browser to find the problem you were talking about
( and in this case Firefox might not be so useful as you suggested) or there
might be something which I am missing in your reasonment...


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia/vaestra-goetaland/goeteborg.php
 
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Jonathan N. Little

Luigi said:
The table was not broken when I browsed it by Firefox.

Firefox 1.0.7 Win2K, but will look the same on Win98, ME, NT, XP or
Linux.

Change the width of your browser and make it narrower and see if it do
not look like my screen shot!
 
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Luigi Donatello Asero

Luigi Donatello Asero said:
First some of you suggested that I should install Firefox and check it up
how it displayed the page, later when I told you that I had done it and that
it displayed
the homepage without breaking the page

without breaking the table


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boende-i-italien.php
 
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Luigi Donatello Asero

Jonathan N. Little said:
Firefox 1.0.7 Win2K, but will look the same on Win98, ME, NT, XP or
Linux.

Change the width of your browser and make it narrower and see if it do
not look like my screen shot!

I did it before. There was no problem although the screen was little.
I cannot tell you however which Firefox version it was.


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia/vaestra-goetaland/goeteborg.php
 
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Luigi said:
First some of you suggested that I should install Firefox and check it
up how it displayed the page, later when I told you that I had done
it and that it displayed the homepage without breaking the page and
in another way as your picture shows, you are still arguing that it
is not displayed properly.

Hint: make your browser window narrower.
Either Firefox should not be the browser to base your statements on
and you might suggest another browser to find the problem you were
talking about ( and in this case Firefox might not be so useful as
you suggested) or there might be something which I am missing in your
reasonment...

It looks the same in Opera. Broken.
http://k75s.home.att.net/images/luigi_opera.jpg

If you would switch to using <div>'s and float the images within the
text, this problem would not occur. (Provided you coded it properly, of
course.) For example, look at the way the lower images on this page
float in the text, no matter what the width of your browser.
http://www.countryrode.com/parts/apparel.php
 
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Luigi Donatello Asero

Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
Hint: make your browser window narrower.

Considering that the screen was already little I do not think that was worth
to make the window narrower..



I have not tested in Opera.
But if the problem is the same as the one which I see browsing at IE, I
think that it is not much worth attention.
If you would switch to using <div>'s and float the images within the
text, this problem would not occur. (Provided you coded it properly, of
course.) For example, look at the way the lower images on this page
float in the text, no matter what the width of your browser.
http://www.countryrode.com/parts/apparel.php


It is more flexible but the page is longer.
The text seems to be below the pictures
(at least the first).
Basically, a table can already be defined as such containing only 2 columns
whereas one gives information which are connected with the data ( pictures
in this case) contained in the first one. Therefore it is only a design
problem.
Having said that, I doubt whether the other example looks better, because I
see a stronger visual connection between the pictures and the information on
the right column (at least while browsing the page by a normal window size)
on my page.


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia/vaestra-goetaland/goeteborg.php
 
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Luigi Donatello Asero

Luigi Donatello Asero said:
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet

Considering that the screen was already little I do not think that was worth
to make the window narrower..

Considering that the screen was already little I do not think that it was
worth
to make the window narrower..


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia/vaestra-goetaland/goeteborg.php
 
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Luigi said:
Considering that the screen was already little I do not think that
was worth to make the window narrower..

Look at the picture again. Notice the toolbar panel to the left. Using
an 800x600 monitor, you are left with about 670 pixels of width for your
content. Lots of people have extra toolbars and side panels.
I have not tested in Opera. But if the problem is the same as the one
which I see browsing at IE, I think that it is not much worth
attention.

It is the same in Opera, Firefox, IE, and any other browser. Broken.
It is more flexible but the page is longer. The text seems to be
below the pictures (at least the first).

The first image is like a heading. I said the *lower* images, which
would be content similar to yours.

The page is only longer than yours because it has more content. Imagine
how much _longer_ it would be if each image and the associated content
was in a two-column table like yours?
Basically, a table can already be defined as such containing only 2
columns whereas one gives information which are connected with the
data ( pictures in this case) contained in the first one. Therefore
it is only a design problem.

"Therefore it is only a design problem." RIGHT!!! Why do you think
this is attractive?

blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
xxxxxxxxxxx blahblahblahblabblah
x picture x blahblahblahblabblah
x x blahblahblahblabblah
xxxxxxxxxxx blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah

Did you ever see a magazine laid out like that?
Having said that, I doubt whether the other example looks better,
because I see a stronger visual connection between the pictures and
the information on the right column (at least while browsing the page
by a normal window size) on my page.

What is a normal window size? You have no idea what your visitors are
using...
 
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Luigi Donatello Asero

Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
Look at the picture again. Notice the toolbar panel to the left. Using
an 800x600 monitor, you are left with about 670 pixels of width for your
content. Lots of people have extra toolbars and side panels.


Lots of people: how many?


[cut]


"Therefore it is only a design problem." RIGHT!!! Why do you think
this is attractive?

blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
xxxxxxxxxxx blahblahblahblabblah
x picture x blahblahblahblabblah
x x blahblahblahblabblah
xxxxxxxxxxx blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah

Did you ever see a magazine laid out like that?


The space is longer when the text referring to the table is longer but this
text will not be always longer because I am not going to have always the
same text and with the same length

[cut]


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boende-i-italien.php
 
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Jonathan N. Little

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
xxxxxxxxxxx blahblahblahblabblah
x picture x blahblahblahblabblah
x x blahblahblahblabblah
xxxxxxxxxxx blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah
blahblahblahblabblah

Did you ever see a magazine laid out like that?




What is a normal window size? You have no idea what your visitors are
using...

Or this when sidebar, 800x600 monitor where the browser is NOT maximized
(A very REAL situation)
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
+----------+ blah
| | blah
| PICTURE | blah
| | blah
+----------+ blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah


Now *that's* design! ;-)
 
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Luigi Donatello Asero

Jonathan N. Little said:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:


Or this when sidebar, 800x600 monitor where the browser is NOT maximized
(A very REAL situation)
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
+----------+ blah
| | blah
| PICTURE | blah
| | blah
+----------+ blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah


Now *that's* design! ;-)



"Blah" will not have always have the same lenght. Floating makes a
difference while using long texts.
At the same time a table gives a clearer connection between data which are
contained in the column.
That means

1) you see this strange effect now if you use 800x600 and do not maximize
your window when the text is as long as it is now.
It would not look like this if the text were made of about 10 words.
2) I am not so sure that many people using only 800x600 do not maximize the
window either.....

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boende-i-italien.php
 
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Luigi Donatello Asero

By the way, what do you think about the layout of the
website
www.alibaba.com ?



--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boende-i-italien.php
 
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Luigi said:
Lots of people: how many?

I counted 437,657,110 with toolbars and sidepanels.
The space is longer when the text referring to the table is longer but this
text will not be always longer because I am not going to have always the
same text and with the same length

...which is why floating is ideal.

I am having a great week.
 
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Luigi said:
"Jonathan N. Little" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet

"Blah" will not have always have the same lenght.

Floating makes a difference while using long texts.

If only you would use it...
At the same time a table gives a clearer connection between data which are
contained in the column.
That means

1) you see this strange effect now if you use 800x600 and do not maximize
your window when the text is as long as it is now.

So, you want to control what your visitor does? How rude.
It would not look like this if the text were made of about 10 words.

But your pictures have many, many more than 10 words.
2) I am not so sure that many people using only 800x600 do not maximize the
window either.....

Remember those toolbars and panels.
 
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Luigi Donatello Asero

Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
I counted 437,657,110 with toolbars and sidepanels.


How did you count them?

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boende-i-italien.php
 
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Luigi Donatello Asero

Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:

[cut]
It would not look like this if the text were made of about 10 words.

But your pictures have many, many more than 10 words.

Just now. But your example with floating images did not fascinate me either.

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boende-i-italien.php
 
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Luigi said:
How did you count them?

One at a time.

See? Wasn't that a silly question? There is no way to tell, which is
why you should design your site so it works for these people - nay, for
everyone - no matter if there is only a small number of them.
 
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Luigi Donatello Asero

Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
One at a time.

See? Wasn't that a silly question? There is no way to tell, which is
why you should design your site so it works for these people - nay, for
everyone - no matter if there is only a small number of them.


Even those who use 800x600 and do not maximize the screen can still read the
text by scrolling the page vertically.
I would understand the problem if they needed scroll the screen
horizontally.
You did not say anything about the layout which is used at www.alibaba.com
by the way.


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ 瑞典)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boende-i-italien.php
 
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Luigi said:
Even those who use 800x600 and do not maximize the screen can still
read the text by scrolling the page vertically. I would understand
the problem if they needed scroll the screen horizontally.

The trouble is, your vertical paragraphs have about one or two words per
line. This is not easy to read.

If you would - as many have told you - narrow that language button menu
to give more horizontal room for content, or better yet, move the
language buttons to the bottom where they belong, we wouldn't be having
this conversation.
You did not say anything about the layout which is used at
www.alibaba.com by the way.

Was I supposed to? Ok ... looks like millions of other cookie-cutter
shopping sites. All the products are Chinese.
 

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