Possible bug in Calendar

[Harold Yarmouth]

Please give a link to that statistic.

Google is your friend.

(If you want me to do your research for you, it'll be $50 an hour plus
expenses.)

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

"mention that an awful lot of them do" does not qualify as
"mention any".

That's ridiculous. You might as well have just claimed that 10 < 1.

What happened, anyway -- the number of them exceeded your brain's
Integer.MAX_VALUE and wrapped around to become negative?

Well - you just agreed with me (see above).

I did not.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Sure it does. 10 (an awful lot) > 1 (at least one).

I did not.

It is not a rule that no-argument getInstance() return a singleton.

I never claimed otherwise.

I said a no-argument getInstance(), *in the absence of the functionality
having a clear requirement for a polymorphic implementation*, *tends
often* to indicate a *per-thread, singleton, cached, or otherwise
not-always-new instance*.

That is a substantially different statement and I will thank BOTH of you
to stop misquoting me and misrepresenting what I am saying.

I keep saying "X usually indicates one of A, B, or C" and you keep
posting "Harold is an idiot, he keeps saying that X indicates A!" when
that simply is not true.

At this point, I have to consider that any future similar assertions
about what I'm supposedly saying, from either of you, will constitute
intentional lying rather than just you being mistaken yet again. Since
you have been told, not once but several times, what my claim really is,
I can't believe that any more instances of your attributing the wrong
claim to me will be accidental. They will be deliberate, if of course
they occur at all. And deliberately incorrect = lying.

It is not valid that because many such methods return a singleton that
all such must do so.

Then it is quite fortunate that that is not my claim. See above.

In the particular case of the Java API and getInstance(), Arne has
already proven that "Harold" is wrong

No, he has not. And this incorrect and insulting assertion followed
quite a volume of condescending priggishness that I trimmed.

What the HELL is the matter with you?

Please go away. The original problem that started this thread is long
since solved. In fact I'd solved it before even posting this thread,
which I did only to point out how stupid the current API is in this
particular area.

There is no reason to continue this.
* That Date and Calendar have problems is not in serious dispute -- most
people here, except you and Arne, agree with me.
* That, specifically, Calendar.newInstance(), calendar.set(maximum
specificity), calendar.getTime() produces a non-deterministic output
is a flaw is not in serious dispute -- most people here, except you
and Arne, agree with me.
* Your negative opinions of me clearly ARE in serious dispute. At the
same time, however, they have no bearing on anything to do with
Java and this is therefore the wrong newsgroup for discussing the
matter any further.

Since the above three things are what seem to be in contention in this
thread, and since only you two dispute the first two items and the third
is off-topic here, there is no reason whatsoever for this thread to
continue in cljp and plenty of reasons for it not to.

I suggest that you let the first two issues drop and if you have some
more insults you really need to get out of your system you send them to
me by email. Just don't be surprised if I delete them without replying.

That is statistical evidence, and conclusive.

Nonsense. The sample size is ridiculously small. Far too small to make
any inference and call it "conclusive", and I'd say too small to really
call it "evidence". It is "statistical", and that's about it.

If the gods of Java

Enough with the gods shit! There are no gods. Period. Show me putative
empirical evidence for a god, and I will show you empirical evidence for
either noise or some mechanistically-understandable phenomenon. Though I
can't tell you yet which of those two it will be, not in advance of
seeing the evidence in question.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

You're wasting your time arguing with this idiot. [rest of insults
and paranoia trimmed to save bandwidth]

I am not an idiot. My IQ was 137 last time I had it measured.

I noted it.

That's because YOU are an idiot.

I am not a "new identity", I am forty-seven years old which makes me a
"middle-aged identity".

He will show up with yet another identity next month.

No, I will show up as Harold Yarmouth and that's it.

 

[Joshua Cranmer]

Sure it does. 10 (an awful lot) > 1 (at least one).

This is what Arne wants: one, specific example. Saying that an awful lot
of countries support terrorism doesn't mean that they do; it provides no
more support for the statement that there exists a country that supports
terrorism than it does for the statement that many countries have budget
deficits.

 

[John B. Matthews]

I did, though I'm not sure how a collection of bad puns displays
that. One of my (public) high school's English teachers was a
classicist, and she had permission to teach latin as long as she
could fill the classes. I expect Latin ended there when she retired.
My son's now taking Latin, though that's more natural, since his high
school is run by Jesuits.

Traditionally, there are four ways to pronounce Latin: classical,
ecclesiastical, Jesuit and wrong.

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

Traditionally, there are four ways to pronounce Latin: classical,
ecclesiastical, Jesuit and wrong.

And the last is probably the most common ...



Arne

 

[Lew]

I did, though I'm not sure how a collection of bad puns displays that.

Because no one would fear saying "fotchit" in public.

 

[John B. Matthews]

And the last is probably the most common ...

Indeed, the student's still lament:

Latin is a dead language. It never changes, you see.
First, it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me.

Of course, we're joking. In _The Everything Learning Latin Book_, teh
preface lists 10 good reasons to study Latin:

<http://books.google.com/books?isbn=1580628818>

I still get a kick out of Catullus.

Ob Java: An experimental JulianCalendar class is described here:

<http://jscience.org/experimental/javadoc/org/jscience/history/calendars/
JulianCalendar.html>

Today is III idus novem MMDCCLXI ab urbe condita [the third day
(inclusive) before the ides (13th) of the ninth month in the 2,761st
year from the founding of the city].

 

[John W Kennedy]

What experience do you have of anything outside the USA and possibly
Canada?

Latin per se doesn't matter. He should have learned "op. cit." in
English class, under the general heading of "how to write research
papers with proper footnotes". Unless, perhaps (as I say elsewhere), he
was enrolled in the American equivalent of -- forgive me, I don't recall
the proper term -- put on track to leave school after the fifth form.
--
John W. Kennedy
"You can, if you wish, class all science-fiction together; but it is
about as perceptive as classing the works of Ballantyne, Conrad and W.
W. Jacobs together as the 'sea-story' and then criticizing _that_."
-- C. S. Lewis. "An Experiment in Criticism"

 

[bbound]

Personally, I'd instead call both of them symptoms of "unwillingness to
waste one's time on difficult, obsolete, and
uninteresting-to-one-personally subject matter", and also of "having a
birth date after circa 1500 CE" and "not being a Catholic priest", but
what the hey.

You only needed to click on a simple link (URL). Instead, you
[insults deleted, insulting both Harold and myself]

None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.

 

[bbound]

Those are not the particular feedback loops that I object to.

Damn it.  [implied insult deleted]

[implied insult deleted].  De mortuis [rest of suspected insult
deleted], as my momma used to say.

No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.

 

[bbound]

Damn it.  [implied insult deleted]

[implied insult deleted].  De mortuis [rest of suspected
insult deleted], as my momma used to say.

None of the nasty things that Lew has said or implied about me are at
all true.

My mom used to say "facit" too, though not in front of company.

And precisely what, pray tell, does this have to do with Java?

 

[bbound]

Damn it. [implied insult deleted]
[implied insult deleted]. De mortuis [rest of suspected
insult deleted], as my momma used to say.

None of the nasty things that Lew has said or implied about me are at
all true.

And the horse it rode in on?

And what, precisely, does any of this have to do with Java?

 

[bbound]

[implied insult deleted].  De mortuis [rest of suspected
insult deleted], as my momma used to say.

None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.

Mike, you obviously studied Classical Latin, not just (or instead of?) Church
Latin.  My high-school Latin teacher would've been proud of you.

None of this seems to have anything whatsoever to do with Java
programmer.

 

[bbound]

[implied insult deleted]. De mortuis [rest of suspected
insult deleted], as my momma used to say.

None of the nasty things that Lew has said or implied about me are at
all true.

There is an old saying that everyone should learn one of the four
classic languages: Greek, Latin, Fortran and Cobol.

I don't see how any of this long-winded discussion is at all relevant
to the topic of Java programming. Least of all the mentions of Fortran
(yuck) and Cobol (bletcherous!).

 

[bbound]

[implied insult deleted]. De mortuis [rest of suspected
insult deleted], as my momma used to say.

None of the nasty things that Lew has said or implied about me are at
all true.

I did, though I'm not sure how a collection of bad puns displays that.
One of my (public) high school's English teachers was a classicist,
and she had permission to teach latin as long as she could fill the
classes.  I expect Latin ended there when she retired.  My son's now
taking Latin, though that's more natural, since his high school is run
by Jesuits.

None of this has anything whatsoever to do with Java.

 

[bbound]

Lew wrote:
[implied insult deleted]. De mortuis [rest of suspected
insult deleted], as my momma used to say.

None of the nasty things that Lew has said or implied about me are at
all true.

Traditionally, there are four ways to pronounce Latin: classical,
ecclesiastical, Jesuit and wrong.

The only way for Latin to be on topic here is in a discussion of
Java's Collator class.

Lew's insulting of me is, of course, not on topic here at all.

 

[bbound]

Lew wrote:
Lew wrote:
[implied insult deleted]. De mortuis [rest of suspected
insult deleted], as my momma used to say.

None of the nasty things that Lew has said or implied about me are at
all true.

And the last is probably the most common ...

Unfortunately, so are off-topic, pointless, and inflammatory news
posts in comp.lang.java.programmer.

 

[bbound]

Lew wrote:
[implied insult deleted]. De mortuis [rest of suspected
insult deleted], as my momma used to say.

None of the nasty things that Lew has said or implied about me are at
all true.

Indeed, the student's still lament:

The lamentable thing here is the sheer volume of non-Java-related
traffic that is being posted to this newsgroup lately.