Possible bug in Calendar

[Harold Yarmouth]

Calendar.

Excessively complicated to use for the stated purpose. A boondoggle, really.

I am not. We already have it. Calendar.

Excessively complicated to use for the stated purpose. A boondoggle, really.

Of course it is.

No. See several fresh posts by me.

Almost all business has things that happen at a certain weekday, at
a certain day in month etc..

Policy object. Dependency injection. Need I repeat myself yet again?

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

This is what Arne wants

I do not CARE what Arne wants. Arne can go hang himself for all I care,
especially given the extremely disrespectful way he's been treating me,
someone he hardly even knows, and that he's been that disrespectful from
the day he "met" me, without any provocation.

Arne has long since lost any right or reasonable expectation that I give
a crap what he wants.

Perhaps in the future he might be less of a brute with people, knowing
that it costs him down the line when later he wants something from someone.

However, googling his name in this group shows that he has a long and
sordid history of being nasty, brutish, and short-tempered with just
about everyone he disagrees with about pretty much any topic. He seems
to be incapable of learning that lesson or he probably already would
have done. Indeed, he seems to be incapable of disagreeing with a
person, regarding any topic, without a) thinking that that person is an
idiot and b) being publicly disrespectful towards that person. I don't
know why -- poor social skills, I suppose, a notorious occupational
hazard in the computer-programming profession.

Whatever its cause (or his excuse), though, his unpleasant attitude has
consequences, and one of those is that I don't give two puffs of vapor
from a busted car radiator what he wants. If he wants something he can
go do or buy or get it himself.

And the same applies to Lew, for similar reasons, and to you too.
Though you haven't been as nasty as Arne, you haven't been especially civil.

Hendrik is another matter -- when called on his rudeness towards me,
Hendrik apologized on at least one occasion, so I think he might be
redeemable. And googling Hendrik shows a recent instance of his being
rude to someone else, being called on it, and apologizing there too.

Hendrik is a good example for you three to try to emulate -- he seems to
have some of the same problems but he also seems to be willing to try to
improve his public behavior/attitude. That is more than I can presently
say for you three.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Are you sure English is your native language.

Yes, I am sure.

It quite clearly isn't yours, though, unless you're a fifth-grader or a
grade-school dropout.

But you say that X indicates A when W.

That is not the same thing as saying that X indicates A.

And saying that X indicates A may not be synonymous with being an idiot,
for that matter, regardless of your personal opinion about the matter.

You are leaping to all kinds of conclusions and engaging in what is it
called again? The straw man fallacy? No matter. You are wrong, you are
deliberately wrong (= lying), and you are unreasonably hostile.

Go away and leave me alone.

So there are all indications that your are wrong.

The only thing wrong here is you. (Particularly your grammar. Good God!)

You have zero credibility. Shoo! Off with you!

I am sure that Lew also see problems with current Calendar/Date/DateFormat
classes.

I do.

With that settled, can we all get back to discussing OTHER aspects OF
JAVA in a civil and adult and reasonable manner?

your misunderstandings

I have no misunderstandings, save that I do not understand why you feel
compelled to harangue and harass me instead of just leaving me in peace.

The JSR people are working on some real problems in those classes.

That's more like it. Why do you have these flashes of reasonability,
sprinkled like raisins in a dough of anger-management problems and
public lack of civilized decorum?

Look at me. I am calm, collected, and rational. The more you insult me,
the more I calmly and patiently explain why you're wrong about me and
politely request that you desist from your hostile and inexplicably rude
behavior.

I'm a model citizen compared to you, with your blustery temperamental
attitude, brutish brow-beating tendencies, thuggish behavior, terrible
grammar, tendency to push threads off-topic, and bulldog tenacity in
trying to "kill" whoever you don't like.

Yes, it is rather as if I stepped into a parlor, tried to participate in
a civilized discussion, and then someone's Rottweiler started snarling,
chasing me around, and trying to take chunks out of the seat of my
pants. (So, maybe someone should put you on a leash! Or not let you into
the parlor in the first place.)

No.

But they do; just reread this thread if you don't believe me.

 

[Joshua Cranmer]

Dusty history. Nobody has files, database entries, or network packets
timestamped around the time of George Washington's birthday.

Astronomers would care to disagree. Anthropologists, archaeologists, and
a surprisingly large amount of people would need to be able to concern
themselves with dates before the Gregorian switchover.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Who doesn't? I certainly do.

Then you've conceded. Let's both move on, shall we?

Just to name one - Date should have been immutable.

Certainly. (I believe I implied as much myself, previously.)

No, they are not.

Much better.

Harold Yarmouth averred:
Indeed

Wrong. This behavior IS flawed. That the behavior in question was the
"flash point" for this long and acrimonious thread is, alone, sufficient
to indict it, in my opinion.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

I think that is English.

You are one of the least qualified people on the planet to make
assertions about English. (Even compared to people that know none at all
-- they will at least be so ignorant that they will give an honest "I
don't know" type of response regarding English, instead of making
poorly-educated guesses and grievous errors!)

In English, "an awful lot" means a large number and "any" means a number
greater than zero.

Think on that for a while.

And make yourself an early New Years' Resolution not to post any more
off-topic posts here -- posts about me and posts about English being
off-topic.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Yarmouth delenda est.

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that this is an insult?

No matter. Hardly anyone will understand it, even if so.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Do you know what `Homo sapiens' is? The short word `circa' (often
abbreviate as `c.')? `et cetera' (etc.)? A lot of writing uses
abbreviations of Latin words or phrases.

Yes. A specific set of such, which I know backwards and forwards. What I
don't know is all of the rest of Latin, the parts nobody else* knows either.

* much

You dirty thief.

This "anti-Haroldism" is getting ludicrous. Why, if I cloned myself, we
might then be able to prosecute you for hate speech!

And what's with the attributions getting garbled practically every other
post? I'm the one who originally said something about not knowing any Latin.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

I still can't believe that he graduated high school without learning how
to do attributions.

I bloody well did. It's not my fault that some news software tends to
mangle them, or other people delete them.

That /would/ explain why he's so touchy about anything suggesting
that his intellectual attainments are less than complete.

I'm "touchy" now, am I? How would YOU like to be subject to repeated
public insults, before an audience, for no apparent reason, and in a
place and time where such is inappropriate?

I came here to report a case of unintuitive and trouble-causing behavior
of a library function. Other people have since agreed with my original
assertion that this behavior is unintuitive and undesirable.

Despite which, some people (rabid defenders of the status quo I suppose,
to whom the current version of Java is perfect and who take any
criticism of it as a personal affront for some reason) attacked me.

And we're not just talking "politely disagreed with me" or "said they
had no problems with the particular behavior in question". We're talking
calling me names and even frequently accusing me of posting under a
phony name -- the latter without any basis in evidence (or relevance!).

Frankly, I find my reception here utterly mystifying. I did some
Googling, and got partial explanations. For instance, Arne is equally
rude to lots of people; it seems to be his personality, or bad attitude
on his part. Still no explanation why, or why others tolerate his
generally hostile behavior, though. And no explanation for why people
are so willing to keep on and on and on posting insults after being
repeatedly told that they are wrong about whoever they're insulting, and
why they go on and on and on even when there's no longer any shred of
Java remaining in the discussion. Or why Lew refuses to properly
attribute my posts and periodically posts random and irrelevant stuff
seemingly by channeling the ghost of the guy that wrote episodes for The
Twilight Zone.

I think that once I've disentangled myself from this insult-fest I will
not be using this newsgroup any further. I wonder if people are better
behaved in some of the other comp.lang.java groups, or if there are Java
webboards. Moderated ones would be best; nastiness like Arne's and
off-topic nonsense like Lew's likely wouldn't be tolerated there.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

What experience do you have

Who gives a shit? I stated a basic, plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face fact
that no reasonable person would disagree with.

(What was that? Something about the Vatican? As I said, no *reasonable*
person...)

But the facts remain:
* Latin is not English.
* Latin's primary non-historical usage is in a certain religion's
ceremonies, and in the form of loanwords and other chunks of
vocabulary, absent Latin syntax or other elements of the Latin
language.
* Ergo, a normal secular high school has no reason to put it in
core curricula, especially no reason to lump it in with English,
and indeed no reason to have it anywhere but a separate Latin class.
History class obviously needs to mention that it was the language of
the Roman Empire, and remains that of the Catholic Church, but has no
reason to attempt to actually teach it to the students.
* Italian (the modern language of Italy, *outside* the Vatican's
borders) is not the same thing as Latin.
* Of the Latin loans, only those commonly encountered, such as etc.,
Homo Sapiens, i.e., and e.g., can be assumed to be known by another
speaker. Even then, someone's not knowing them is not prima facie
evidence that he's a moron; it's definitely not an automatic
justification for public namecalling, beration, or similarly. In fact,
discussing someone's (lack of) knowledge of Latin, in an insulting way
or otherwise, is off-topic here anyway.

So let's let this whole matter drop, shall we?

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Latin per se doesn't matter. He should have learned "op. cit." in
English class

Obviously not, because I didn't -- it never came up. It's not hard to
guess why, either -- here's a hint: what language is called "English"?
What languages contain the words abbreviated to "op. cit."? Is the
former contained in the latter?

he was enrolled in the American equivalent of -- forgive me, I don't
recall the proper term -- put on track to leave school after the
fifth form.

I don't know from "fifth form", but I assume that the above is a veiled
insult.

If so, it is factually incorrect.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Understanding a Latin abbreviation often used in scientific works

Is not a prerequisite for programming in Java, or for posting in this
newsgroup, or (especially) for being treated civilly and with respect.

You only needed to click on a simple link (URL).

No. I do not need to do anything, not even if you order me to. What do
you think you are, anyway, God? The comp.lang.java.programmer police?
Our new President-elect?

If you ARE the comp.lang.java.programmer police, then I'd like to report
a crime. Lars Enderin, Arne Vajhoj (sorry, can't type the funny zero
character), Lew, and one or two other people keep making large numbers
of inflammatory and off-topic posts just to start or perpetuate a fight.
Please arrest them all. One of them is looking out at you from the
mirror; I suggest you start with that one.

Instead, you keep making wrong assumptions and accusations.

No, I do not, and this is yet another example of off-topic and
inflammatory behavior. Policeman, arrest thyself!

 

[Mike Schilling]

Is not a prerequisite for programming in Java, or for posting in this
newsgroup, or (especially) for being treated civilly and with respect.

I.e. Latin is optional, as opposed to e.g. English. German, French,
Italian, et al. are also optional.

 

[Joshua Cranmer]

And what's with the attributions getting garbled practically every other
post? I'm the one who originally said something about not knowing any
Latin.

From <I don't know any Latin; I don't even know what `op. cit.' means (well, I
just looked it up on Wikipedia). But that doesn't stop me from
connecting the fact that a) the link is an important reference and b)
the subsequent text will be making reference to the link.

I wrote that post. That is the one you keep claiming you wrote.

So please, stop stealing my words. Before I sue you for copyright violation.

 

[John W Kennedy]

Obviously not, because I didn't -- it never came up. It's not hard to
guess why, either -- here's a hint: what language is called "English"?
What languages contain the words abbreviated to "op. cit."? Is the
former contained in the latter?

Part of the latter is contained in the former (which is what you would
have said if you had thought more clearly); if I remember aright, the
OED describes such terms as "denizens". At any rate, any reasonably
large English dictionary lists "op. cit.", "ibid.", "i.e.", "e.g.",
"cf.", and the like, either in its main alphabet or in an appendix of
abbreviations.

I don't know from "fifth form", but I assume that the above is a veiled
insult.

In American, it more or less means that you majored in shop, and took
the English classes designed for shop majors. But notice that I'm giving
it as a possible excuse for your ignorance; if you took College-Prep
English, then you have no excuse. Choose wisely.

If so, it is factually incorrect.

OK, I'm satisfied. You're Paul Derbyshire.
--
John W. Kennedy
"Those in the seat of power oft forget their failings and seek only
the obeisance of others! Thus is bad government born! Hold in your
heart that you and the people are one, human beings all, and good
government shall arise of its own accord! Such is the path of virtue!"
-- Kazuo Koike. "Lone Wolf and Cub: Thirteen Strings" (tr. Dana Lewis)

 

[Lew]

Astronomers would care to disagree. Anthropologists, archaeologists, and
a surprisingly large amount of people would need to be able to concern
themselves with dates before the Gregorian switchover.

"Harold Yarmouth"'s point was irrelevant anyway, as well as incorrect. The
evidence was to show that calendars are not neat mathematical constructs,
which it did show.

It is relevant that not every day is 24 hours long, so naive calculations
based on that assumption will give incorrect results from time to time.

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

In American, it more or less means that you majored in shop, and took
the English classes designed for shop majors. But notice that I'm giving
it as a possible excuse for your ignorance; if you took College-Prep
English, then you have no excuse. Choose wisely.


OK, I'm satisfied. You're Paul Derbyshire.

The "you are always incorrect" mentality is a good
indication of Paul.

There are other with the same mentality, but not in
this forum, because that mentality creates lousy programmers.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

No. I do not need to do anything, not even if you order me to.

That is correct.

You can follow advice and become wiser or stay ignorant.

It is completely up to you.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

Who gives a shit? I stated a basic, plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face fact
that no reasonable person would disagree with.

You don't think "Most high school curricula do not cover Latin" depends
on where in the world it is ?

> * Ergo, a normal secular high school has no reason to put it in
> core curricula,

I think it is called "culture".

Besides it is said to make learning other languages (those with roots
in Latin) a lot easier to learn.

Where I come from then Latin was an option both in last year of
elementary/middle school and in high school (or the equivalents
of those).

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

I came here to report a case of unintuitive and trouble-causing behavior
of a library function. Other people have since agreed with my original
assertion that this behavior is unintuitive and undesirable.

As has been clearly proved, then the behavior was well documented and
the real problem was that you did not read those bugs, before posting
to the world about a "possible bug".

I think that once I've disentangled myself from this insult-fest I will
not be using this newsgroup any further.

The sooner the better.

I wonder if people are better
behaved in some of the other comp.lang.java groups, or if there are Java
webboards. Moderated ones would be best; nastiness like Arne's and
off-topic nonsense like Lew's likely wouldn't be tolerated there.

You would be out before you could post the the second days
of "stop insulting me" rants.

Arne