strncpy not that easy to use

[Keith Thompson]

It took you forever to give the link when it should have been done weeks
ago. and if I didn't see it, you should have kept redrawing attention to it
to begin with, period. So it's your fault, period.

Please don't quote signatures (the tail end of an article, introduced
by "-- ") unless you're actually commenting on them.

groups.google.com shows that you've posted in several threads here,
starting last June. In some of them, you didn't post any followups,
so the question of top-posting didn't arise.

In the thread "Tryiing just to read/understand this code", Brian
("Default User") wrote:

| Please don't top-post. Your replies belong following or interspersed
| with properly trimmed quotes. See the majority of other posts in the
| newsgroup.

which seems clear enough. In a later followup, I wrote:

| Please read <http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html> for more
| information.

This all took place on August 8 (that would be "weeks ago") over a
period of about an hour.

When you're wrong, quit arguing. When you've made a mistake, don't
blame your own behavior on the people who are trying to help you
correct it.

 

[smnoff]

[Top-posting again]

smnoff said:

It took you forever to give the link when it should have been done weeks
ago.

No, it should never be necessary to give such a link, and it should never
be
necessary to explain to people how to use this group, because they're
supposed to spend a few weeks reading it, so that they can learn by
example.

and if I didn't see it, you should have kept redrawing attention to
it to begin with, period.

No, it's not his job to teach you good manners and common sense. That's
your
responsibility, not his.

So it's your fault, period.

No, it's yours.

And now you have two choices - continue to be antagonistic towards the
very
people from whom you are seeking expert help, or wise up fast.

I see very few new people following your etiquette. You will continue to
have the same problems over and over and over again. The facts remain, users
don't know what top posting is and you just telling them not top post
doesn't work. Instead of berating new users of not knowing your extremely
unsually etiquette, you can easily copy and paste a link. Notice that no
matter how many existing and regular users agree with you, they will be
wrong just as well cause, new users will do the same as I. Don't believe me?
How about doing a Google search on this group for the word "top post" and
see for your self.

Face up to the fact that new users are always never going to know what top
posting is and will never read the FAQ cause they are not sure if the one
they search for belongs to this newsgroup, nor know which FAQ to read as
there are so many of them. The smart newsgroup constantly have bots that
publish this info. And forums have them PINNED to the top.

Doctors help their patients, but they also spend a lot of time listening to
them.

 

[smnoff]

smnoff said:


So what? The stupidity of other people does not mean that contributors to
comp.lang.c have to be stupid too.


Then you should have complained at the time.


No, you didn't. And you still don't.

When was the last time you ever admitted to being wrong on anything?

 

[jacob navia]

[Top-posting again]

smnoff said:

It took you forever to give the link when it should have been done weeks
ago.

No, it should never be necessary to give such a link, and it should never
be
necessary to explain to people how to use this group, because they're
supposed to spend a few weeks reading it, so that they can learn by
example.

and if I didn't see it, you should have kept redrawing attention to
it to begin with, period.

No, it's not his job to teach you good manners and common sense. That's
your
responsibility, not his.

So it's your fault, period.

No, it's yours.

And now you have two choices - continue to be antagonistic towards the
very
people from whom you are seeking expert help, or wise up fast.

I see very few new people following your etiquette. You will continue to
have the same problems over and over and over again. The facts remain, users
don't know what top posting is and you just telling them not top post
doesn't work. Instead of berating new users of not knowing your extremely
unsually etiquette, you can easily copy and paste a link. Notice that no
matter how many existing and regular users agree with you, they will be
wrong just as well cause, new users will do the same as I. Don't believe me?
How about doing a Google search on this group for the word "top post" and
see for your self.

Face up to the fact that new users are always never going to know what top
posting is and will never read the FAQ cause they are not sure if the one
they search for belongs to this newsgroup, nor know which FAQ to read as
there are so many of them. The smart newsgroup constantly have bots that
publish this info. And forums have them PINNED to the top.

Doctors help their patients, but they also spend a lot of time listening to
them.

Well said.

 

[Richard Heathfield]

smnoff said:

I see very few new people following your etiquette. You will continue to
have the same problems over and over and over again. The facts remain,
users don't know what top posting is and you just telling them not top
post doesn't work.

That's why I don't bother telling them.

But when I'm deciding whether or not to answer a question that has arisen
during the course of a discussion, one of the factors affecting that
decision is whether the person concerned has bothered to make his question
easy for me to follow. If his article is particularly awkward to read (e.g.
because he has top-posted, or because he has left in too much context,
making it hard to see his question, or too little context, making his
question incomprehensible), I may simply not bother to answer it. His loss,
not mine. <shrug>

<snip>

 

[Richard Heathfield]

smnoff said:

When was the last time you ever admitted to being wrong on anything?

This morning, in comp.programming.

 

[Keith Thompson]

[Top-posting again]

smnoff said:

It took you forever to give the link when it should have been done weeks
ago.

No, it should never be necessary to give such a link, and it should never
be
necessary to explain to people how to use this group, because they're
supposed to spend a few weeks reading it, so that they can learn by
example.

and if I didn't see it, you should have kept redrawing attention to
it to begin with, period.

No, it's not his job to teach you good manners and common sense. That's
your
responsibility, not his.

So it's your fault, period.

No, it's yours.

And now you have two choices - continue to be antagonistic towards the
very
people from whom you are seeking expert help, or wise up fast.

I see very few new people following your etiquette. You will continue to
have the same problems over and over and over again.

Thank you for your concern. We'll continue to deal with it, just as
we have been all along. If you have any contructive advice, I'm sure
we'd love to hear it.

I've found that top-posting is discouraged in most of the newsgroups I
read, particularly the technical ones. Conventions may differ in
forums other than Usenet newsgroups, but that's not what we're talking
about here.

The facts
remain, users don't know what top posting is and you just telling
them not top post doesn't work. Instead of berating new users of not
knowing your extremely unsually etiquette, you can easily copy and
paste a link. Notice that no matter how many existing and regular
users agree with you, they will be wrong just as well cause, new
users will do the same as I. Don't believe me? How about doing a
Google search on this group for the word "top post" and see for your
self.

That's exactly why I regularly copy and paste a link to
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>. I have done so in response
to *your* posts at least twice, on August 8 and again on August 30.
It's hardly anyone else's fault if you don't pay attention.

If people have complained to you about top-posting without posting the
link, it's probaby because I had already posted it in the same thread.

Face up to the fact that new users are always never going to know
what top posting is and will never read the FAQ cause they are not
sure if the one they search for belongs to this newsgroup, nor know
which FAQ to read as there are so many of them. The smart newsgroup
constantly have bots that publish this info. And forums have them
PINNED to the top.

The FAQ is auto-posted here, I think twice a month. References to it
are posted all the time. For anyone who manages to miss that, a
Google search for "comp.lang.c faq" turns up <http://c-faq.com/> as
the first hit. And it's traditional to browse a newsgroup for a while
before posting; in the old days you had to do this by lurking, but now
you can just use Google Groups to scan the archives.

What problem are you complaining about, and what solution are you
offering?

Doctors help their patients, but they also spend a lot of time
listening to them.

Ok, I'm listening. Do you have anything constructive to say?

 

[J. J. Farrell]

[Top-posting again]

smnoff said:

It took you forever to give the link when it should have been done weeks
ago.

No, it should never be necessary to give such a link, and it should never
be
necessary to explain to people how to use this group, because they're
supposed to spend a few weeks reading it, so that they can learn by
example.

and if I didn't see it, you should have kept redrawing attention to
it to begin with, period.

No, it's not his job to teach you good manners and common sense. That's
your
responsibility, not his.

So it's your fault, period.

No, it's yours.

And now you have two choices - continue to be antagonistic towards the
very
people from whom you are seeking expert help, or wise up fast.

I see very few new people following your etiquette. You will continue to
have the same problems over and over and over again. The facts remain, users
don't know what top posting is and you just telling them not top post
doesn't work. Instead of berating new users of not knowing your extremely
unsually etiquette, you can easily copy and paste a link.

Very true. That's why the first set of people who asked you not to
top-post, and several of the repeat requests, copied and pasted a link
to explain the issue to you. Most new posters have the courtesy to read
such links and follow the advice. Many don't need to since they've
checked up in advance on appropriate behaviour.

Notice that no
matter how many existing and regular users agree with you, they will be
wrong just as well cause, new users will do the same as I. Don't believe me?
How about doing a Google search on this group for the word "top post" and
see for your self.

Face up to the fact that new users are always never going to know what top
posting is and will never read the FAQ cause they are not sure if the one
they search for belongs to this newsgroup, nor know which FAQ to read as
there are so many of them.

Strange how many do what you say they will never do.

The smart newsgroup constantly have bots that
publish this info.

That makes comp.lang.c a smart newsgroup then.