doofus said:
It's a document. That makes it documentation.
I didn't say it wasn't documentation, I said it was the *wrong*
documentation.
If you don't like it, go find yourself another language.
Um... right.
Poppycock. The local documentation has *nothing* on installing modules
on windows. As far as those self-proclaimed unix bigots are concerned,
Windows doesn't even exist.
Then you must have a broken installation of Perl. My copy of the docs
explain how to install modules, which is pretty much the same on
Windows as it is elsewhere. If you don't have a compiler, then you
can't install XS modules with CPAN, but that's not a Windows-specific
problem-- people who live on real live UNIX machines like Solaris or
HP-UX also don't have C compilers by default.
Besides, the original fart-faced fustilarian, a regular Mr. RTFM, who
made the quip in the first place could have mentioned perldoc CPAN.
Which is why *I* mentioned it.
Why do you think I went looking on the web in the first place.
Because you didn't know about perldoc or CPAN, which is why I brought
them up. Sheesh, try a do a guy a favour sometime, and this is your
idea of 'thanks'.
www.google.com. Is that professional enough.
No. It's a search engine, not a website purporting to hand out CGI
scripts that are bad rewrites of Matt Wright's perl4-based garbage.
Search for "installing perl
modules on windows". It seems plenty of others don't agree with you.
I did. The first link returned was
<URL:
http://www.rcbowen.com/imho/perl/modules.html>, which unlike the
one you cited, is apparently correct (I just skimmed it, so bugs may
lurk underneath). Anyway, Google is a poor measure of quality; its
PageRank algorithm rates sites based on who links to them, not how
correct or useful they are. If you get enough people who don't know
any better linking to a site, its Google rank will rise anyway.
And now, does perldoc.com mention a damn thing about how to use make on
windows. Is perldoc.com likely to be any more concerned about windows
users that whatever dumb **** in the perlsville thought up using 'make'
in the first place?
Does cursing make you feel superior or something? 'make' is used
because it's available anywhere you have a C compiler (including, I
might add, Windows), and because it's been used forever, and is the
best and most portable way to ensure that software is built
correctly. What would you have them use? Ant? Jam?
Mostly, I've found that as a windows user, the only hope of getting help
about installing anything open source is from outside the open source
sneering community and their secret campaign to prosceletyze linux by
making using their code on windows pretty damb impossible.
I'd guess at least half the people using Perl on this newsgroup are
using Windows, and nobody gives them crap about it. Sounds like you
have a rather large chip on your shoulder you need to get rid of,
because it's not helping you when you ask for help and then curse at
the people who try to give it to you.
I knew about perldoc, but not perldoc CPAN. To me the option looked like
MCPAN all one word. See, sometimes people just need a heads up.
So I tell you this, and instead of "Thanks, I didn't know about that,"
you respond with curses and insults? Furrfu. 'perldoc perlrun' while
you're at it. perltact would be a good module to look at, if it
really existed.
Listen, you could refer me to the whole vast sea of domentation out
there but fact is, Sam Holden used three words to give me what I need.
And I gave you more information so that next time you'd know where to
look, and would be able to solve your own problems faster.
What is comp.lang.perl.misc for?
It is for discussing miscellaneous questions related to the Perl
language. It is not your personal helpdesk, although most of us are
happy to help out anyway, if we can.
Why would you not want to help people when it is so easy to do so. If
you don't want to, simply ignore the post. I mean come on, what the ****
is this newsgroup for?
It is NOT for cursing people who try to give you help. If someone
asks questions that are in the documentation, we try to refer them to
the documentation for three reasons:
1) If everybody keeps asking questions that are already in the docs,
people get tired of that very quickly, and the experts who really
know their stuff will stop answering questions. Yes, this has
actually happened.
2) The next person who looks through the archives first will see the
reference to the docs, and read them, and not need to ask the
newsgroup.
3) It's a helluva lot faster to read 'perldoc <foo>' than it is to
post to a newsgroup and wait for someone on the other side of the
world to respond.
This newsgroup IS for discussing the Perl language, particularly for
sharing tips and tricks, and other esoterica. It's for asking
questions that the docs either don't answer, or answer ambiguously.
It's for sharing code, looking for improvements or comments. It's for
a lot more, as well. But it's not a substitute for reading
documentation, even if sometimes we feel generous, and help out anyway.
-=Eric
