A text which neither gets very narrow nor disappears

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

How do I get a design where the text neither get very narrow nor desappears?
Please compare:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/alt.html.051002.html

Problem: the text disappears when I narrow the window a lot


https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php


problem: the text looks badly when I make it the window much narrower


https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/test-2.php

Problem: the layout is little boring

Any suggestions?


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

How do I get a design where the text neither get very narrow nor desappears?
Please compare:

Problem: the text disappears when I narrow the window a lot


https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php


problem: the text looks badly when I make it the window much narrower

make the window much narrower

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

 

[saz]

How do I get a design where the text neither get very narrow nor desappears?
Please compare:

Problem: the text disappears when I narrow the window a lot


https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php


problem: the text looks badly when I make it the window much narrower


https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/test-2.php

Problem: the layout is little boring

Any suggestions?

In IE6, FF 1.07, Opera 8.5 - When I resize the window there is no
difference in text size.

Your url's appear to be 2 completely different designs, so I'm not sure
what you are talking about.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

In IE6, FF 1.07, Opera 8.5 - When I resize the window there is no
difference in text size.

You have to resize the window a lot to let the text go out the window but it
happens.
The text does not squish in my design either if you resize the window only a
little.

Your url's appear to be 2 completely different designs, so I'm not sure
what you are talking about.

They are different but the purpose should be to display the same
information.


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

How do I get a design where the text neither get very narrow nor desappears?
Please compare:

Only because I made the DIV 400px and not a % of window, since image
230px wide 400 seemed reasonable. WebTv is 540px so it would even
viewable on WebTv. Horizontal scroll is only need < 400px, pretty small
window. Anyway it was only a demo to illustrate a design without the table.

Problem: the text disappears when I narrow the window a lot


https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php


problem: the text looks badly when I make it the window much narrower

At the same width, your table shows only your damn language buttons and
the pictures, you must scroll to see the text! If you cannot see the
point...well, I'll be kind, good luck with 'one man business'!

https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/test-2.php

Problem: the layout is little boring

Any suggestions?

 

[saz]

You have to resize the window a lot to let the text go out the window but it
happens.
The text does not squish in my design either if you resize the window only a
little.


They are different but the purpose should be to display the same
information.

IMO wouldn't be concerned with anything under 800 x 600.

I made the window very small - 640 x 480. The reason your text is
"squished" (but still readable) is your use of tables.

If you continue to use tables, then move your nav buttons further to the
left and make them narrower. Eliminate the picture of the bird on the
right and allow the table to flow that direction as well. Utilizing
both suggestions would help add another 150px to the available space on
the page, resulting in less "squishing".

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

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IMO wouldn't be concerned with anything under 800 x 600.

That sounds reasonable but my page does not give big problems
with a width which is >600 or =600 does it?

I made the window very small - 640 x 480. The reason your text is
"squished" (but still readable) is your use of tables.

If you continue to use tables, then move your nav buttons further to the
left and make them narrower.

This alternative sounds reasonable.
A further solution would be to put them horizontally before the text is
coming
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/test-2.php

Eliminate the picture of the bird on the

right and allow the table to flow that direction as well.

Where would I put it?


Utilizing

both suggestions would help add another 150px to the available space on
the page, resulting in less "squishing".

I could also have pictures which are narrower than 230.


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

Only because I made the DIV 400px and not a % of window, since image
230px wide 400 seemed reasonable. WebTv is 540px so it would even
viewable on WebTv. Horizontal scroll is only need < 400px, pretty small
window. Anyway it was only a demo to illustrate a design without the

table.

I did not know that WebTv is 540 px.

At the same width, your table shows only your damn language buttons and
the pictures, you must scroll to see the text!

But scrolling the text vertically is not the same thing as scrolling it
horizontally.
There are many good sites on the web where you need scroll the page
vertically.

If you cannot see the

point...well, I'll be kind, good luck with 'one man business'!

Did you get angry or what?

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

table.

I did not know that WebTv is 540 px.

It's on a TV set 540 pixels is the max

But scrolling the text vertically is not the same thing as scrolling it
horizontally.
There are many good sites on the web where you need scroll the page
vertically.

Yes horizontal, not vertical, you know this way <--->! If you position
is that you think your design it more flexible and can display a your
content in a narrower window with out horzontally scrolling (that's this
way <-->) then either mine

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/alt.html.051002.html

or BTS's layout examples

http://k75s.home.att.net/luigi.html

compared to your page

https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

is absolutely ludicrous!

Your 1st column with you language buttons with gobs of whitespace at
200px + your image column 230px that's 430px right there and your
description in another table column and we haven't added in the margins!

You keep asking if your table is broken if it looks okay when the window
is resized. It is not your table code, it is the use of a table for
layout that causes your page to be inflexable.

If you cannot see the




Did you get angry or what?

More worn out. Many have try to be really honest with you and have
offered very good advice that would solve a lot of the difficulties that
you are having with your website, and then you either 'dismiss' the
advice (and keep asking more questions where the 'dismissed advice'
would answered your question) or you make incredible remarks like:

http://message-id.net/<VvU%[email protected]>
( even message-id.net won't work with your messages! )
10/2/2005 1:10 PM
Re: Please criticize my website.: with screenshot
Luigi:

On your picture there are also some problems.
The picture of the garbage is on a
part of the title. That does not look clean at all.
And the page looks empty, it is not fluid somehow.

This to BTS's page
http://k75s.home.att.net/luigi.html

*too empty? not fluid?* compared to yours!

https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

Or this comment:

http://message-id.net/<6UH%[email protected]>
( message-id.net won't work on this one either! )
Luigi:

Let´s come back to the menu.
Do you think that it is still too large?

^
It still in a vertical (that's | way) column of boxed links
v

the boxes change in size but the table column is still 200+ px wide on
the left! I think every one has told you repeatedly 'yes' too big, too
prominent for links just to switch to another language. So, yes, I have
begun to question your sincerity. 'But do you think shoes should be red?'

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

It's on a TV set 540 pixels is the max


Yes horizontal, not vertical, you know this way <--->! If you position
is that you think your design it more flexible and can display a your
content in a narrower window with out horzontally scrolling (that's this
way <-->) then either mine

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/alt.html.051002.html

or BTS's layout examples

http://k75s.home.att.net/luigi.html

compared to your page

https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

is absolutely ludicrous!

Your 1st column with you language buttons with gobs of whitespace at
200px + your image column 230px that's 430px right there and your
description in another table column and we haven't added in the margins!

You keep asking if your table is broken if it looks okay when the window
is resized. It is not your table code, it is the use of a table for
layout that causes your page to be inflexable.



More worn out. Many have try to be really honest with you and have
offered very good advice that would solve a lot of the difficulties that
you are having with your website, and then you either 'dismiss' the
advice (and keep asking more questions where the 'dismissed advice'
would answered your question) or you make incredible remarks like:

http://message-id.net/<VvU%[email protected]>
( even message-id.net won't work with your messages! )
10/2/2005 1:10 PM
Re: Please criticize my website.: with screenshot
Luigi:

This to BTS's page
http://k75s.home.att.net/luigi.html

*too empty? not fluid?* compared to yours!

https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

Or this comment:

http://message-id.net/<6UH%[email protected]>
( message-id.net won't work on this one either! )
Luigi:

^
It still in a vertical (that's | way) column of boxed links
v

the boxes change in size but the table column is still 200+ px wide on
the left! I think every one has told you repeatedly 'yes' too big, too
prominent for links just to switch to another language. So, yes, I have
begun to question your sincerity. 'But do you think shoes should be red?'

Here is my short answer:
1)When I asked a question in a NG I do not adress my question specifically
to one person unless I specify that.
That implies that I may have already got an answer on one subject but that
I would
like to ask again to hear what other people have to say.
2) One question can be also asked again because I may have made some
changes on the website during that time
3) When someone ask me for advice I do not try to figure out that the piece
of advice
I am going to give must be accepted by the person in question.
On the contrary, I think that he or she has to decide whether he or she
wants to use the advice or not.
When I ask someone else for advice, I assume that I can decide afterwards
whether I want to make use of this piece of advice or not
4) What you think it is right may be questionable for me and viceversa. If
you feel it is frustrating that you give a piece of advice which I might not
use,
please do not give any advice



--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/italien-valle-daosta/boende-i-bionaz.php

 

[JDS]

How do I get a design where the text neither get very narrow nor desappears?

You're hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. Keep it up.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Here is my short answer:

Not very short...

1)When I asked a question in a NG I do not adress my question
specifically to one person unless I specify that.

Usenet does not normally work that way. Email does.

That implies that I may have already got an answer on one subject but
that I would like to ask again to hear what other people have to say.

IOW, you *got* an answer, but you didn't like it.

2) One question can be also asked again because I may have made some
changes on the website during that time

That's true. You keep asking the same questions over and over.

3) When someone ask me for advice I do not try to figure out that the
piece of advice I am going to give must be accepted by the person in
question. On the contrary, I think that he or she has to decide
whether he or she wants to use the advice or not. When I ask someone
else for advice, I assume that I can decide afterwards whether I
want to make use of this piece of advice or not

Translate: "I dismiss your advice."

4) What you think it is right may be questionable for me and
viceversa. If you feel it is frustrating that you give a piece of
advice which I might not use, please do not give any advice

Translate: "I dismiss your advice."

Bye.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

Not very short...


Usenet does not normally work that way. Email does.

Strange answer.
Do you mean that you normally adress to a specific person when you post into
a NG?

IOW, you *got* an answer, but you didn't like it.

I did not like some of them. But I do not know how many take part in this
NG.
Mostly, I do not know how many read but not write


Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/italien-valle-daosta/boende-i-bionaz.php

 

[JDS]

I did not like some of them. But I do not know how many take part in this
NG.
Mostly, I do not know how many read but not write

Luigi, you have been shown to do the following over and over:

1) Ignore advice
2) Post the same question many multiples of times
3) Clearly not understand the underlying principles of a particular
question you are asking
4) Ignore advice
5) Ask the same question again

You have been posting for years now and I have not seen you take even one
step in the direction of improving your HTML and or other web-related
coding and/or design skills.

You are just one tiny RCH away from being labelled a Usenet kook.
Frankly, I only respond to your questions anymore to see what sort of
retarded dribble comes out of your typing fingers. I am a grownup, yes,
but sometimes the 8 year old in me forces his way out.

Please please please, for the sake of humanity, *USE* the advice given to
you!! ARRRRRRRRGGHGGGHGHRAHAHHHHGHGH!!!! << hair torn out >> << clothing
ripped asunder>> << runs screaming down the lane >>

bye!

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Luigi, you have been shown to do the following over and over:

1) Ignore advice
2) Post the same question many multiples of times
3) Clearly not understand the underlying principles of a particular
question you are asking
4) Ignore advice
5) Ask the same question again

priceless! :-D

You have been posting for years now and I have not seen you take even one
step in the direction of improving your HTML and or other web-related
coding and/or design skills.

You are just one tiny RCH away from being labelled a Usenet kook.

What's RCH?

Frankly, I only respond to your questions anymore to see what sort of
retarded dribble comes out of your typing fingers. I am a grownup, yes,
but sometimes the 8 year old in me forces his way out.

Please please please, for the sake of humanity, *USE* the advice given to
you!! ARRRRRRRRGGHGGGHGHRAHAHHHHGHGH!!!! << hair torn out >> << clothing
ripped asunder>> << runs screaming down the lane >>

bye!

Whew! I just thought I was being overly sensitive! But I must say that
it has been easier explaining Super String Theory to my dog.... He is a
very smart dog though!

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

What's RCH?

Heh, acronymfinder.com discreetly omits the definition.

R: It's a color.
C: It's a female body part.
H: It begins with a follicle.

 

[JDS]

Whew! I just thought I was being overly sensitive! But I must say that
it has been easier explaining Super String Theory to my dog.... He is a
very smart dog though!

I don't know how long you've been reading alt.html or the other newsgroups
frequented by Luigi, but if you google for his old posts, you will see
that this is nothing new. The only thing Luigi has gotten better and
better at is Missing The Point(TM). He excels at that.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:




Heh, acronymfinder.com discreetly omits the definition.

R: It's a color.
C: It's a female body part.
H: It begins with a follicle.

Oooooooh! I am way-too isolated :-D

 

[PeterMcC]

JDS wrote in
<[email protected]>

Please please please, for the sake of humanity, *USE* the advice
given to you!! ARRRRRRRRGGHGGGHGHRAHAHHHHGHGH!!!! << hair torn out >>
<< clothing ripped asunder>> << runs screaming down the lane >>

Pssssst... Jeff, down the bottom of the lane, there's some shrubbery and
there's a whole lot of us hiding round the back of it but don't let on to,
erm, you know who...

 

[JDS]

Pssssst... Jeff, down the bottom of the lane, there's some shrubbery and
there's a whole lot of us hiding round the back of it but don't let on to,
erm, you know who...

<< ducks behind bush[1] >>


[1] That's "shrubbery" to us USAians