Is there anyone hears about "HireRight.com"?

[Stephen Sprunk]

Of course it is.

My concern is not that the data is gathered, but that I have no
right to inspect and correct the data or evaluate the sources.

Complain to Congress. In the US, information gathered is the property of
the entity that collects it. I understand that in the EU, information about
a person is the property of that person. That seems better, but I'm sure
clever US companies would find a way around similar rules. There's just too
much money to be made selling people's personal details.

Why would a company want my *medical* data that they are not
allowed to evaluate???

I've never had a prospective employer ask for medical details before or
after making an offer, other than as they relate to my ability to do the job
(e.g. can you lift up to 50lbs). They rightly consider that between me and
the health insurance carrier.

S

 

[rickman]

But you can complain about complaints anytime?

How else would I complain about the inappropriate post but to follow
with a post??

The subject line of this thread is off topic
for all newsgroups to which it has been cross posted.

How do you figure that? This group is comp.arch.embedded. People
have argued that even *JOB POSTINGS* should be allowed here!
Certainly it should be ok to discuss the process of getting a job in
the embedded design field...

I don't like top posting either.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q="top+posting+bas...

Results 1 - 10 of about 83 for "top posting bastard".

I don't give a *crap* what you like or dislike. That is my point. If
you have something useful to add to the discussion, *and* wish to
comment on a top poster, I don't have an issue with that. But to
chime in with a "holier than thou", "top posting is bad" comment is
pointless and distracting to reading a thread... yes, even more
distracting than top posting.

I will try to refrain from commenting further on the top posting
comments and return you to your previously scheduled thread. :^)

 

[Richard Heathfield]

rickman said:

I don't give a *crap* what you like or dislike.

That is evident. And yet consideration for others is the essence of
civilisation. Welcome to my bozo bin. You're in lousy company.

 

[rickman]

Complain to Congress. In the US, information gathered is the property of
the entity that collects it. I understand that in the EU, information about
a person is the property of that person. That seems better, but I'm sure
clever US companies would find a way around similar rules. There's just too
much money to be made selling people's personal details.

I wish I thought that would make a difference. Corporations have so
much more leverage with even *elected* government officials. So many
people are ignorant of the things that the government allows and how
companies get them to pass legislation not in the citizens best
interest. But I may take this up. It is easy enough to write an
email if you can get an email address for anyone in the Capitol.

I've never had a prospective employer ask for medical details before or
after making an offer, other than as they relate to my ability to do the job
(e.g. can you lift up to 50lbs). They rightly consider that between me and
the health insurance carrier.

The company was Tellabs and they wanted to to give permission to
investigate my personal background, finances, job history and medical
history; all before I even interviewed! As an engineer in the defence
sector I am used to this sort of scrutiny by the Federal government,
but even *they* have never asked to investigate my medical
history!!!

To be honest, I don't even get the personal background or finances.
Sure there may be a one in 100,000 chance that if I have a debt
problem that it will affect my work. But wouldn't that show up in my
work history? Same with personal background. Do they really think
that my marriages or family are going to impact my work in ways that
won't show up in my work records?

I don't cave in for this kind of stuff. I am sure it has cost me a
job offer here or there, but I feel it is important to give feedback
to employers about where the line is drawn by employees.

 

[red floyd]

I don't give a *crap* what you like or dislike. That is my point. If
you have something useful to add to the discussion, *and* wish to
comment on a top poster, I don't have an issue with that. But to
chime in with a "holier than thou", "top posting is bad" comment is
pointless and distracting to reading a thread... yes, even more
distracting than top posting.

I will try to refrain from commenting further on the top posting
comments and return you to your previously scheduled thread. :^)

However, this is cross-posted to comp.lang.c++, and top-posting is
explicitly disallowed here.
http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/how-to-post.html#faq-5.4

 

[rickman]

However, this is cross-posted to comp.lang.c++, and top-posting is
explicitly disallowed here.http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/how-to-post.html#faq-5.4

Yes, I am sure I over reacted just by saying anything at all. The
complaining about top posting kinda bugs me. When I see a message
that polutes the thread by not having any useful content just to
correct someone, it really bugs me. I guess I need to keep it to
myself, but then again, maybe CB should have replied in just the group
where it is explicitly disallowed.

Sorry if I offended anyone, even the ones I probably intended to
offend when I did the offending. :^)

Oh, and please don't ever send me an email asking me to not top
post... You won't like the response. ;^)

 

[Default User]

How else would I complain about the inappropriate post but to follow
with a post??

How can HE complain about the inappropriate post but to follow with a
post?

I don't give a crap what you like or dislike.

Yet you think we should care what you like or dislike.

That is my point. If
you have something useful to add to the discussion,

What was your useful addition?




Brian

 

[dave_mikesell]

However, this is cross-posted to comp.lang.c++, and top-posting is
explicitly disallowed here.http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/how-to-post.html#faq-5.4- Hide quoted text -

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I wish they would add "pedantic netiquette enforcement" to that list.
You can always reply to the author instead of adding one more off-
topic post to a thread.

 

[Malcolm McLean]

And this is exactly the lie down and die attitude that allows them to
do such invasive searches prior to an interview.

Countries differ. In Britian if you go for a job through an agency you can
be expected to be asked national insurance number, date of birth for
certain, dates of past jobs, even medical history. If someone wants to make
a stand against this then I am not against it. In fact I would root for him.
But the average person just wants to feed his family.

 

[Default User]

I wish they would add "pedantic netiquette enforcement" to that list.
You can always reply to the author instead of adding one more off-
topic post to a thread.

So why are you adding one more?




Brian

 

[Kenny McCormack]

So why are you adding one more?

Why are *you* adding one more?

 

[Kenny McCormack]

Countries differ. In Britian if you go for a job through an agency you can
be expected to be asked national insurance number, date of birth for
certain, dates of past jobs, even medical history. If someone wants to make
a stand against this then I am not against it. In fact I would root for him.
But the average person just wants to feed his family.

No, you've got that wrong. The average person just wants to put food on
his family.

 

[Mark McIntyre]

I have never been asked to give this information before being offered a
position.

I would never give this information before bring hired.

In the banking world, you'd never get a job. Current anti-fraud
legislation in the EU and US /requires/ your prospective employer to
carry out a background check before hiring you.

After being made an offer, I have been asked for a background check, but
I still got the job before they asked for it.

I suspect if you read the small print you'd find out you could be
fired w/s comp if the check failed but same diff, effectively.
--
Mark McIntyre

"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan

 

[Sherm Pendley]

Will you get a grip??!!! All the crap that goes on in a newsgroup and
your only interest in this discussion is that the guy not top
post!!!

I am making two rules right now...

You can not complain about top posting unless you are actually making
a post relevant to the thread.

Thank you for your request to be added to my killfile. Your application
has been received and approved. I look forward to ignoring you further.

If you have any other requests, please don't bother. I won't see them.

*plonk*

sherm--

 

[Keith Thompson]

Hi folks,

Is there anyone hears about "HireRight.com"? [snip]
My question is: Shall I let them check my background before they
schedule a site interview?

When I first saw the original article in this thread, I assumed it was
yet another advertisement. (We get a lot of those; "I just found this
wonderful site foobar.com; what do you think of it?", where the poster
turns out to be the owner of the site.)

Since the original poster has been participating in the discussion,
that would seem not to be the case. However, the entire discussion is
blatantly off-topic in comp.lang.c, and I presume in comp.lang.c++ and
comp.arch.embedded as well. There are probably other newsgroups where
this would be topical, and where you could find posters who actually
know something about the question. I urge anyone who wants to
continue discussing this to find an appropriate newsgroup and take the
discussion there.

Followups redirected.

 

[Dave Vandervies]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:09:46 -0600, in comp.lang.c , Donald


In the banking world, you'd never get a job. Current anti-fraud
legislation in the EU and US /requires/ your prospective employer to
carry out a background check before hiring you.

My employment contract says that I may be required to handle sensitive
material and that, should that occur, my continued employment is
conditional on my passing any required background checks. If all
(or even most) of the work I do required them, background checks would
probably have been made a condition of the job offer. If the hiring
process is fairly long, it would even make sense to start any required
background checks along with later rounds of interviewing so they're
finished before the final job offer is made.

All of these possibilities are still a long way from the OP's description
of being asked for background information *before the first interview*.


dave

 

[rickman]

In the banking world, you'd never get a job. Current anti-fraud
legislation in the EU and US /requires/ your prospective employer to
carry out a background check before hiring you.

That is not the same thing as before making you a conditional offer
which is what makes sense to me.

I suspect if you read the small print you'd find out you could be
fired w/s comp if the check failed but same diff, effectively.

Most places you can be fired without cause anyway. Job offers
typically don't have small print, but when you are hired the no-
disclosure/invention agreement can cover this too. But does anyone
really expect to be kept on the payroll if they are not suitable for
the job? I think we are just talking about *when* the background
check is to be done.

It is really a matter of safety for the company. If they don't like
you before the interview, it is a lot harder for you to make trouble.
After offering a job you have more possibilities and after being
actually hired you can really give them trouble. But many states make
it hard to sue an employer for letting you go regardless. They can
really only be sued if they say bad things about you.

 

[rickman]

Countries differ. In Britian if you go for a job through an agency you can
be expected to be asked national insurance number, date of birth for
certain, dates of past jobs, even medical history. If someone wants to make
a stand against this then I am not against it. In fact I would root for him.
But the average person just wants to feed his family.

Why would a company need to know your *medical* history? The rest of
the info is standard issue on the resume (CV). I am not so familiar
with the NI number. If it is used like the SS number here, it is
actually illegal to require you to give it out. They used to use the
SS number as your drivers license number in Virginia, but they stopped
that when identity theft became and issue and they had always given
you an opt out where they would make up a number for you.

I *know* I am not the average person. I am single and can afford to
be unemployed, both by not having dependants and by having plenty of
reserves. Regardless, there are lots of jobs and I think it is
importan to not give up rights of privacy and the ability to dispute
an erroneous report. When they get this report before they even call
you in for an interview, you will never have a chance to even know
that was why you were not called in.

 

[rickman]

rickman said:



That is evident. And yet consideration for others is the essence of
civilisation. Welcome to my bozo bin. You're in lousy company.

Normally I don't bother with Internet disputes, but I feel I should at
least say that the fact that you *have* a bozo bin makes me feel
honored to be in it!

 

[dave_mikesell]

So why are you adding one more?

Brian

You did, too. Infinity.