[OFF-TOPIC] Animosity on the part of Mr Richard Heathfield

  • Thread starter Tomás Ó hÉilidhe
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Tomás Ó hÉilidhe

I hope you have learned something.


My point was to point out a badness that can be attributed to a person
because of their membership of a group. For instance, if you're a
member of the KKK, you're bad.

Regarding "good Nazis", well I've been given examples of people who
went against the Nazis and actually helped out the Jews. These people
who helped out the Jews were masquerading as Nazis, they obviously
didn't hold Nazi views, they're not Nazi in my view.

If you had an undercover cop joining the KKK as a part of his
assignment, you wouldn't call him a "good member of the KKK". You'd
say that he's a spy, an infiltrator, someone masquerading as a KKK
member.
 
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CBFalconer

Phil said:
.... snip ...

And I notice that one sentence later you're still remaining
silent on Tomas' racist views. So you must still think his
views are acceptable. Or, again, perhaps silence still does
not imply consent.

Don't be ridiculous. You apparently want RH to repeat each and
every condemnation he has ever made in every future message.
 
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CBFalconer

Tomás Ó hÉilidhe said:
.... snip ...

Of course, you're right. But the people I criticise have the
choice of changing their clothes, of removing their gold teeth,
and of tending to their hygiene and appearance.

Oh? For example, we recently had an Ice Storm here. There has
been no power in my apartment from Thursday to Monday noon. There
is no other heat than electricity, and no possibility to install
any such. There is no hot water, no stove, and I can't even open
cans (the opener is electric). The exterior temperature has gone
down to 3 degrees F (about -15 C). So I abandoned the apartment
until today. When I got back I could get some clean underwear.

Note that in the interim I have been quite filthy.
 
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Tomás Ó hÉilidhe

I have neither the right nor the desire to condemn the OP himself.



Thank you, there's no reason why we can't co-exist peacefully on
comp.lang.c from here on in.
 
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Antoninus Twink

There has been no power in my apartment from Thursday to Monday noon.
There is no other heat than electricity, and no possibility to install
any such. There is no hot water, no stove, and I can't even open cans
(the opener is electric). The exterior temperature has gone down to 3
degrees F (about -15 C). So I abandoned the apartment until today.
When I got back I could get some clean underwear.

Look Falconer, this is a technical newsgroup, not your personal blog
where you can pour out to an uncaring world all the troubles of your
day-to-day life.

It's simply incredible. We are the "trolls", the "off-topic" posters,
and here is CBF with a long essay on his domestic woes. Only in clc.
Note that in the interim I have been quite filthy.

Yep, only in clc...

I think we all wish that CBF would have no power in his apartment any
day of the year - then we could be spared his incoherent, senile
ramblings and rantings in this group.
 
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Bartc

Richard Heathfield said:
Tomás Ó hÉilidhe said:
...I think your views are dangerous...
As far as this newsgroup is concerned, I still have no particular
desire to offer technical support to racists. You can be an idiot
if you like, but I see no reason why I should assist you.

So you withhold help from someone with some silly prejudice (but is upfront
about it), but give it wholeheartedly to another poster who for all you know
could be a lot worse?
 
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Phil Carmody

CBFalconer said:
Don't be ridiculous. You apparently want RH to repeat each and
every condemnation he has ever made in every future message.

Why does such a vast proportion of the posts here completely
wooooosh you? It's hard to miss the point more than you have
there.

Phil
 
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Guest

Finally, let me note that this whole accusation of "racism" is bunkum
from the word go (and is here and in every other newsgroup where they
use it - as I say, it is fatally poisonous mud and a very effective
weapon).  The reason it is bunkum is that there is no such thing as
race!  I feel I should repeat that.  There is no such thing as race!
In a newsgroup that is obsessive about nitpicky accuracy (and this one
certainly qualifies), you'd think someone would have noticed this by
now.  To make this clear, what I am saying is that the concept of race
has no scientific standing anymore.  Look it up in any scientific
source.  This was one of the main things I learned in an Anthropology
class many, many years ago.  Again, there is no scientific concept of
race.  And in this newsgroup, above any others, that fact ought to reign
supreme.

you making the common error of confusing etymology with meaning.
Sure there's no meaningful definition of "race" but nevertheless
there is a meaning to "racism".

From Wiki:
"According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction
between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination."

United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial
Discrimination:-

"the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction,
exclusion,
restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national
or
ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or
impairing
the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human
rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social,
cultural or any other field of public life. '"


I've had a similarly etomologically confused person try to convince
me that "homophobia" was without meaning.

I suggest you sit back, put your feet up and watch the Procle-Vision
 
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Kenny McCormack

you [sic] making the common error of confusing etymology with meaning.

Once again, you have completely missed the point.

Nice to see you are keeping your record intact.

(The phrase "whoosh!" comes to mind)
 
J

J. J. Farrell

Anthony said:
Isn't that the definition of prejudice?

No, but it's an example of it.

(Sorry, but the pedantry index was getting dangerously low in this thread.)
 
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Antoninus Twink

The rot set into this thread right at the start; the Subject header
was woefully inaccurate.

I agree. It's not at all "OFF-TOPIC" as the subject line claims.
 
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Chris H

In message
Mr Heathfield is lying about his motives here.

Richard is many things (some of which annoy me intensely :) but not a
liar .

A foolish man living a pipe dream.

Tomas you have exhibited those attributes yourself several times
. When I lived in Ireland,
there were certain groups of people that I avoided because I knew that
if I mixed with them, they would rob me and assault me.
Who?

Incorrect.

Now that IS racism.
The groups you belong to say a lot about who you are. As a
man once said, "Show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are".

That is not always true.
Here's an extreme example:
Is there a such thing as a good Nazi? No there's not

Simplistic racism again
. In order for
a Nazi to be good, they have to distance themselves from Nazism and
claim to not be a Nazi. They have to openly say that they condemn
Nazism and that they don't want to be considered a Nazi.

Now there is rank stupidity and over simplistic idealisum

There is nothing wrong with most of the Nazi or National Socialist
philosophy. What it became in the hands of a few people was something
different. which is the same as any other totalitarian system be it
politically left or right.

By the time the Nazis came off the rails many good people were in the
system and in many cases it was (as in most other totalitarian regimes)
join the party and have a reasonable life or don't join the party and
you and the family go to the work camps....

Another thing, don't think that a person is tied to their race or to
the colour of their skin.

It is difficult to change either
Here in Laos, if you're white and don't want
to be categorised as a "Westerner", then it's a simple as changing
your clothes.

Yeah right.....
It also helps a lot if you speak the local language.
When I'm up a the Friendship Bridge between Laos and Thailand, taxi
drivers come over to harass me but they turn around straight away when
I reply to them in Lao telling them I don't want a taxi and I don't
want drugs.

You are still a "westerner". Which is why you were approached. When
they talk to you they realise you are not a tourist.... but you are
still a westerner.
If someone wears the clothes of a certain group, maintains the same
poor hygiene as members of that group, wears the same gold teeth as
members of that group, then I'll categorise them as "being a member of
that group".

So what is wrong with Irish labourers?
If that person doesn't want to be categorised as a member
of that particular group, they can remove their gold teeth, take a
bath, and change their clothes.

My God you are superficial!
 
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Chris H

In message
My point was to point out a badness that can be attributed to a person
because of their membership of a group. For instance, if you're a
member of the KKK, you're bad.

Membership of the KKK is voluntary
Being a member of the Nazis, Communists or which ever the ruling party
is in a totalitarian society is not always a free choice.
Regarding "good Nazis", well I've been given examples of people who
went against the Nazis and actually helped out the Jews. These people
who helped out the Jews were masquerading as Nazis, they obviously
didn't hold Nazi views, they're not Nazi in my view.

BUT they WERE. They were card carrying members of the party. Went to the
rally's and events eat with the bad Nazis even wore the uniforms.
 
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Chris H

Richard Heathfield said:
If you encountered a Roma gypsy whose personal hygiene met with your
approval, who wore clothes that didn't offend you, and whose dental
work was non-metallic, do you really think you could get away with
claiming that they aren't a "real" Roma gypsy? That they are
somehow "infiltrating" Roma gypsies for some bizarre reason?

Love to see him suggest that to a clean well dressed Roma with no gold
fillings. I think he would has about 5 seconds :)
 
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Keith Thompson

Chris H said:
In message
<db3a3c94-4aad-4616-a851-304d4ec438ae@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, [...]
A foolish man living a pipe dream.

Tomas you have exhibited those attributes yourself several times
[...]

This flame war had mostly died down. Why are you trying to re-ignite
it?
 
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Chris H

In message
Law is king, is it? Up until 1990 is was illegal to be homosexual in
Ireland, so I suppose if you were homophobic before 1990 then you were
doing your country a service.

Yes. And at that time in England the Irish and Gypsies were seen as
much the same level
I don't need official definitions of
race, because there is no suitable definition.

There is
Are English and Irish
people of the same race? Yes and no, and no, and yes, and yes, and no,
and yes

Yes. Absolutely . Same Race different nationality
 
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Chris H

In message
Tomás

I can't take my time to read your entire thread, but with this 3
little pieces (no matter the context), Im sure you can't dig any
deeper. You better shut up. Turn off your computer, smash the monitor
on the floor (or was the window?) and go get some sleep. No more then
50, no less then 49 (years).

I gave him that advice last time had a discussion with him
 
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Richard Bos

CBFalconer said:
How do you know? There haven't been any real Nazis around for over
sixty years.

How naive can people be.
I had an aunt who was a Nazi in prewar Austria. I met her after the
war, and she was a good person.

How naive can people be.


Yes, Virginia, there _are_ still Nazis. One was elected mayor of Rome
this very year. And no, Virginia, they are _not_ good persons, no matter
what their stupid nephews may think of them.
I hope you have learned something.

I fear you clearly haven't.

Richard
 

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