Possible? <a href="asdf.html" target="_blank"> without menus, toolbar, status, etc..

Discussion in 'HTML' started by John, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. John

    John Guest

    Hi,

    Is there a way to open a new window via <a href="asdf.html" target="_blank">
    without menus, toolbar, status, etc..?

    I realize I can do this with window.open(), but would prefer not to use js
    if possible.

    Thanks in advance.

    Regards,
    John
     
    John, Mar 15, 2006
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  2. John

    Spartanicus Guest

    "John" <> wrote:

    >Is there a way to open a new window via <a href="asdf.html" target="_blank">


    Opening new windows is bad UI design, leave it to the visitor. The
    target attribute should only be used for frames (and frames shouldn't be
    used to begin with).

    >without menus, toolbar, status, etc..?


    No.

    >I realize I can do this with window.open()


    Maybe, if the user has JS enabled and if they have their browser
    configured to allow you to do such things.

    Stop wanting this.

    --
    Spartanicus
     
    Spartanicus, Mar 15, 2006
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  3. John

    John Guest

    "Spartanicus" <> wrote in message
    news:eek:...
    > "John" <> wrote:
    >
    >>Is there a way to open a new window via <a href="asdf.html"
    >>target="_blank">

    >
    > Opening new windows is bad UI design, leave it to the visitor. The
    > target attribute should only be used for frames (and frames shouldn't be
    > used to begin with).
    >
    >>without menus, toolbar, status, etc..?

    >
    > No.
    >
    >>I realize I can do this with window.open()

    >
    > Maybe, if the user has JS enabled and if they have their browser
    > configured to allow you to do such things.
    >
    > Stop wanting this.
    >
    > --
    > Spartanicus



    Thanks for the feedback, but it's a user spec.

    Does anybody else know how I can do this?

    Thanks,
    John
     
    John, Mar 15, 2006
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  4. John

    PeterMcC Guest

    John wrote in
    <8mSRf.3102$>

    > "Spartanicus" <> wrote in message
    > news:eek:...
    >> "John" <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Is there a way to open a new window via <a href="asdf.html"
    >>> target="_blank">

    >>
    >> Opening new windows is bad UI design, leave it to the visitor. The
    >> target attribute should only be used for frames (and frames
    >> shouldn't be used to begin with).
    >>
    >>> without menus, toolbar, status, etc..?

    >>
    >> No.
    >>
    >>> I realize I can do this with window.open()

    >>
    >> Maybe, if the user has JS enabled and if they have their browser
    >> configured to allow you to do such things.
    >>
    >> Stop wanting this.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Spartanicus

    >
    >
    > Thanks for the feedback, but it's a user spec.
    >
    > Does anybody else know how I can do this?


    It's not that the solution isn't being provided in the answers; the answer
    is that there is no solution to the problem as described.

    Perhaps a description of the outcome that you're after would help.

    If, for instance, the outcome that you're after is the display of a larger
    image when a link on a thumbnail is activated, you can use a css "pop-up".

    --
    PeterMcC
    If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
    inappropriate or offensive in any way,
    please ignore it and accept my apologies.
     
    PeterMcC, Mar 15, 2006
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  5. Re: Possible? <a href="asdf.html" target="_blank"> without menus,toolbar, status, etc..

    On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, John wrote:

    > Thanks for the feedback, but it's a user spec.


    If you manage to achieve it, I'll be looking for a browser feature to
    defeat it.

    > Does anybody else know how I can do this?


    Is your customer *really* so hell-bent on aggravating their users?
     
    Alan J. Flavell, Mar 15, 2006
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  6. John

    Andy Dingley Guest

    Re: Possible? <a href="asdf.html" target="_blank"> without menus, toolbar, status, etc..

    John wrote:

    > Is there a way to open a new window via <a href="asdf.html" target="_blank">
    > without menus, toolbar, status, etc..?
    >
    > I realize I can do this with window.open(), but would prefer not to use js
    > if possible.


    Use JS from the <a>'s event, return false and have a backup for non-JS
    users through the href. You can't mess with user chrome from a simple
    pure-HTML link.

    Don't mess with user chrome unless it really is better that way.

    Don't pop-up unless it really is better that way.

    Be creatively devious in bending bad specs to good implementations.
    Customers are not always right.
     
    Andy Dingley, Mar 15, 2006
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  7. John

    Spartanicus Guest

    "John" <> wrote:

    >>>Is there a way to open a new window via <a href="asdf.html"
    >>>target="_blank">

    >>
    >> Opening new windows is bad UI design, leave it to the visitor. The
    >> target attribute should only be used for frames (and frames shouldn't be
    >> used to begin with).
    >>
    >>>without menus, toolbar, status, etc..?

    >>
    >> No.
    >>
    >>>I realize I can do this with window.open()

    >>
    >> Maybe, if the user has JS enabled and if they have their browser
    >> configured to allow you to do such things.
    >>
    >> Stop wanting this.

    >
    >Thanks for the feedback, but it's a user spec.


    I presume you mean client request.

    Educate them about why this is a bad thing, it's part of your job. You
    are supposed to be the specialist, clients that don't respect that are
    not worth the bother, replace them.

    --
    Spartanicus
     
    Spartanicus, Mar 15, 2006
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  8. Re: Possible? <a href="asdf.html" target="_blank"> without menus, toolbar, status, etc..

    John wrote:
    > Is there a way to open a new window via <a href="asdf.html" target="_blank">
    > without menus, toolbar, status, etc..?
    > I realize I can do this with window.open(), but would prefer not to use js
    > if possible.


    No you have to use Javascript. I would check for javascript. If they
    have it on, then use the open window, otherwise just use
    target="_blank"

    You can point out to your client that there are a few people that dont
    use javascript and in those cases they get "this window" but the people
    that do have javascript turned on see "this window"
     
    Travis Newbury, Mar 15, 2006
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  9. John

    John Guest

    "Spartanicus" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "John" <> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Thanks for the feedback, but it's a user spec.

    >
    > I presume you mean client request.



    LOL ... yes .. that's what I meant. ;-)
     
    John, Mar 15, 2006
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  10. John

    John Guest

    Why open a new window?

    Hi,

    Why open a new window?

    Basically this is an internal app to calculate outcomes for different
    models. While the user is selecting source data to use, they may not know
    which source data to use, so I am providing a summarized data dump to
    display that data.

    I could just open it in the current window, but :
    -Any changes would be lost
    -They can't compare data side by side
    -They can't leave the data open to refer to
    -I'd have the extra task of persisting changes .. it's a complex pg, I'm in
    a hurry, & I'm lazy. ;-)

    So, that being said, the "client request", it may actually be the best
    implimentation.

    Sincerely,
    John
     
    John, Mar 15, 2006
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  11. John

    Neredbojias Guest

    With neither quill nor qualm, John quothed:

    > Hi,
    >
    > Is there a way to open a new window via <a href="asdf.html" target="_blank">
    > without menus, toolbar, status, etc..?


    No.

    > I realize I can do this with window.open(), but would prefer not to use js
    > if possible.


    Modern browsers really don't allow this, either. You can strip some
    things off, yes, but not all. The best "solution" is to just use the
    f11 key.

    --
    Neredbojias
    Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.
     
    Neredbojias, Mar 15, 2006
    #11
  12. John

    John Guest

    "Neredbojias" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    [snip]
    >> I realize I can do this with window.open(), but would prefer not to use
    >> js
    >> if possible.

    >
    > Modern browsers really don't allow this, either. You can strip some
    > things off, yes, but not all. The best "solution" is to just use the
    > f11 key.



    Oh ... btw ... I'm not trying to create a window that can't be closed. It's
    not a porn site! ;-)

    Thanks Neredbojias
     
    John, Mar 15, 2006
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  13. John

    Safalra Guest

    Re: Why open a new window?

    On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:56:13 -0500, John wrote:
    > Basically this is an internal app to calculate outcomes for different
    > models. While the user is selecting source data to use, they may not know
    > which source data to use, so I am providing a summarized data dump to
    > display that data.
    >
    > I could just open it in the current window, but :
    > [snip]
    > -They can't compare data side by side


    Then why not by default display the form and the summarised data dump
    side-by-side in one page? You could then add on some Javascript to hide the
    dump for users with Javascript until they click a button to reveal it.

    --
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    http://www.safalra.com/hypertext/
     
    Safalra, Mar 15, 2006
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  14. John

    Jose Guest

    Re: Possible? <a href="asdf.html" target="_blank"> without menus,toolbar, status, etc..

    > Thanks for the feedback, but it's a user spec.

    Your job includes educating the user. You (the web designer) are the
    only buffer between idiot specs and hapless users. Bad design (which
    you are being asked to do) annoys the end user and drives traffic away.

    Jose
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    for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
     
    Jose, Mar 15, 2006
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  15. John

    Neredbojias Guest

    With neither quill nor qualm, John quothed:

    > Oh ... btw ... I'm not trying to create a window that can't be closed. It's
    > not a porn site! ;-)


    Shucks...

    --
    Neredbojias
    Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.
     
    Neredbojias, Mar 15, 2006
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  16. John

    dorayme Guest

    Re: Why open a new window?

    In article <P9URf.3127$>,
    "John" <> wrote:

    > Hi,
    >
    > Why open a new window?
    >
    > Basically this is an internal app to calculate outcomes for different
    > models. While the user is selecting source data to use, they may not know
    > which source data to use, so I am providing a summarized data dump to
    > display that data.
    >
    > I could just open it in the current window, but :
    > -Any changes would be lost
    > -They can't compare data side by side
    > -They can't leave the data open to refer to
    > -I'd have the extra task of persisting changes .. it's a complex pg, I'm in
    > a hurry, & I'm lazy. ;-)
    >
    > So, that being said, the "client request", it may actually be the best
    > implimentation.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    > John


    A frameset with 2 frames would be close to perfect for this, you
    could have as much scrollable data as you like. Just use frames
    if you are really lazy and in a hurry, You won't be in as much
    trouble as Saddam Hussein.

    The other thing you can do is put the data in a straight out
    link. Remember that many people now have tabbed browsing and can
    compare two pages at the click of a tab. And they can also open
    links in separate windows if they want. You could give a few
    hints about this on your pages to assist those that might not be
    as adept...

    Or just use -blank and don't worry about the menus, the extra
    window will open auto (and for those with tabbed browsers, they
    might even open in a tab instead if the user has set prefs
    appropriately (I think).

    Then there are solutions to do with simply putting the data on
    the same page and letting the user scroll (if need be). Probably
    the simplest and best! Remember, the user himself or herself can
    open a duplicate window and have one set as scrolled a certain
    way (say to show the data) and another set a different way (to
    show the app or whatever) in either separate windows or in tabs.

    As you can see, all these things have overlapping similiarities.
    But be a devil and use frames. I want this technology kept alive
    and I am counting on you.

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Mar 15, 2006
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  17. John

    Stan McCann Guest

    Re: Why open a new window?

    "John" <> wrote in
    news:p9URf.3127$:

    > Hi,
    >
    > Why open a new window?
    >
    > Basically this is an internal app to calculate outcomes for
    > different models. While the user is selecting source data to use,
    > they may not know which source data to use, so I am providing a
    > summarized data dump to display that data.
    >
    > I could just open it in the current window, but :
    > -Any changes would be lost
    > -They can't compare data side by side
    > -They can't leave the data open to refer to
    > -I'd have the extra task of persisting changes .. it's a complex pg,
    > I'm in a hurry, & I'm lazy. ;-)
    >
    > So, that being said, the "client request", it may actually be the
    > best implimentation.


    It is NOT the best solution. I MUST deal with that crap every day due
    to my job. The top level folks don't seem to care about those of us
    down here that could tell them the best way if we were allowed. I was
    even on the "committee" that made all these decisions. I was told
    about ONE meeting. It was pretty clear from the beginning that the big
    shots were going to do what they wanted to do.

    Come oooon retirement. I hate all these new windows inflicted on me.
    There is NO reason in my case and I'd venture to guess that there is no
    good reason in yours either. The users (you know, those people you're
    building web sites to use) will hate it. If they really do want
    another window so they can compare side by side, they'll open one. If
    they don't know how, they'll learn.

    --
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    Webmaster, NMSU at Alamogordo http://alamo.nmsu.edu/
    Now blocking Google Grouper posts and replies.
    http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
     
    Stan McCann, Mar 15, 2006
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  18. John

    dorayme Guest

    Re: Why open a new window?

    In article <Xns978798F1793CAstanmccann@216.234.192.142>,
    Stan McCann <> wrote:

    > I hate all these new windows inflicted on me.


    In FF (at least) there is a pref to make these open in tabs. At
    least, this is less irritating, no?

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Mar 15, 2006
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  19. John

    Stan McCann Guest

    Re: Why open a new window?

    dorayme <> wrote in news:doraymeRidThis-
    :

    > In article <Xns978798F1793CAstanmccann@216.234.192.142>,
    > Stan McCann <> wrote:
    >
    >> I hate all these new windows inflicted on me.

    >
    > In FF (at least) there is a pref to make these open in tabs. At
    > least, this is less irritating, no?
    >


    Oh yeah, I use that. Unfortunately, this stuff at work "requires" a
    new window. I'm not sure what they are doing with it but it won't work
    in a new tab; it must be a window opening immediately. The only thing
    that's going to get me away from this mess is retirement. Four more
    years!

    I have to use this stuff as it is how I turn in my leave reports and
    approve my employees time. It's what I must use (logging into two
    different areas) to verify that students are students and to change
    their passwords into this awful system that they use for email,
    checking grades, etc.

    It's really a sad mess; the systems that I must log into and use to
    verify students and fix password problems often has pages with only one
    or two links. In one area (approving time), I log in and select an
    Employee "tab" (link to another generated page) that has two links on
    it, "self service links" and "administration." I don't know what's on
    the "administration" page as I have different administrative rights;
    I've never used that one. So I click on "self service links" which
    refreshes the page opnening the self service links up to links such as
    enter time, enter leave, and several others all of which take you to
    the same page! And that page has the very same choices to go over
    again. On and on.

    It takes me a good minute or more just to get to the screen where I can
    finally see my employees listed. It really is a rediculous waste of
    time. I just can't get over the fact that there are so many steps to
    get to what I need; and so many pages where there are only a very small
    number of links(choices) and only one of which ever applies to me.
    Nice millions$ CMS, huh? Luminus. Bah, I can do better with my
    *novice* PHP programming.

    --
    Stan McCann, "Uncle Pirate" http://stanmccann.us/
    Webmaster, NMSU at Alamogordo http://alamo.nmsu.edu/
    Now blocking Google Grouper posts and replies.
    http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
     
    Stan McCann, Mar 15, 2006
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  20. John

    Neredbojias Guest

    Re: Why open a new window?

    With neither quill nor qualm, Stan McCann quothed:

    > dorayme <> wrote in news:doraymeRidThis-
    > :
    >
    > > In article <Xns978798F1793CAstanmccann@216.234.192.142>,
    > > Stan McCann <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> I hate all these new windows inflicted on me.

    > >
    > > In FF (at least) there is a pref to make these open in tabs. At
    > > least, this is less irritating, no?
    > >

    >
    > Oh yeah, I use that. Unfortunately, this stuff at work "requires" a
    > new window. I'm not sure what they are doing with it but it won't work
    > in a new tab; it must be a window opening immediately. The only thing
    > that's going to get me away from this mess is retirement. Four more
    > years!


    I heard that in 3 years they're going to up the retirement age 5 years
    so... Well, never mind.

    --
    Neredbojias
    Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.
     
    Neredbojias, Mar 16, 2006
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