Bristol, UK, Harbourside website, Comments please ?

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Trevor George, Apr 16, 2004.

  1. Trevor George, Apr 16, 2004
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    SpaceGirl Guest

    Judging by the product, I'd say those who are still on dialup are not the
    target market :) I liked the site. It loaded instantly, and I had no
    problems navigating it...
    SpaceGirl, Apr 16, 2004
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  3. SpaceGirl wrote in message ...
    But well over 60% of users (or probably more in the UK) are still on
    dial-ups. I guess a lot of those are still within the target market :~(
    Trevor George, Apr 16, 2004
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    SpaceGirl Guest

    I suppose... but its the current trendy, and I doubt it's going to get any
    easier for narrowband users. Broadband user demand more and more broadband
    content - which means they are more likely to fall for the slick graphics
    and pretty convent, buy products etc etc. It becomes a self perpetuating
    cycle, because then the market realises the big online spenders are the
    broadband users, which means even less effort is spent on narrowband
    content... Anyway, that's my grim take on things. Even relatively
    'narrowband friendly' sides take forever to download on 56k these days. We
    live in an impatient world. I think those left of narrowband are going to
    become so frustrated with the lack of speed, they'd never shop or seriously
    browse online anyway (eventually).

    And that's only half the problems. Broadband varies from 128kbps to 8mbit
    ps. To a 2mbit cable users, a 256kb connection appears VERY slow; certainly
    too slow to watch video online, and almost too slow to play online games
    these day, for example...
    SpaceGirl, Apr 16, 2004
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    Grunff Guest

    Now there's a bizarre and rather clueless statement.
    Grunff, Apr 16, 2004
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    SpaceGirl Guest

    It depends... I didn't read the content carefully. But my impression was
    "inner city, affluent properties", which would suggest a target audience
    already living in a city, which in turn leads to the likelihood that they
    have broadband, or are to be more interested in "flash bang" over pure
    content. It was a generalisation :) I dont know who their target is.
    SpaceGirl, Apr 16, 2004
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    Karl Groves Guest

    It doesn't matter where they are or how much money they have.
    The majority of users *still* don't have broadband. So while the target
    audience is more likely to have broadband, that doesn't negate the fact that
    the majority will still have dial-up.

    Karl Groves, Apr 16, 2004
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    SpaceGirl Guest

    Well of course... I was making a point about targets. If you're designing a
    mass market site (search engine, for example), it would be pretty stupid to
    use heavy graphics... or Flash!
    SpaceGirl, Apr 16, 2004
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    CW Guest

    < , SpaceGirl , >
    It depends on the user and what they are looking for in a internet
    connection , If the user is the type of person who mostly works on a pc
    using whatever app for hours at a time and doesnt actually use the net
    much to surf or download then there isnt any real need for a broadband
    connection .

    These days I find it hard to imagine anything more mind numbingly boring
    than surfing the web .

    PS: nobody in star trek surfs the web even with connections thousands of
    times faster than broadband - why is that :)
    CW, Apr 16, 2004
  10. CW wrote:
    Barry Pearson, Apr 16, 2004
  11. This is what it looks like when you filter flash:
    Nothing there...

    (I hope I am not breaking any rules here, but I can't figure out what
    Whitecrest meant by
    "Well there is that saying about the shoe fitting... " in the Universal
    font-discussion. Please bear with me, my native language isn't English! Can
    someone please explain?)
    Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen, Apr 16, 2004
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    Barefoot Kid Guest

    for a flash site it looks very slick and trendy, i didnt have any probs
    navigating it either. should be placed in the middle of the page tho, looks
    mash up pushed to the top like that
    Barefoot Kid, Apr 16, 2004
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    TechnoHippie Guest

    It's fine for a flash brochure site. So I have to wait for every page
    to load ... same with html and php. What, in particular, is your gripe
    with the site? It's accessible and not overly slow.

    TechnoHippie, Apr 16, 2004
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    2gy76s Guest

    I saw this URL on the side of a
    I thought it was a well known notion that Flash and user-friendly don't
    belong in the same sentance.

    I bet they didn't really care to answer your unrequested critique.

    They got paid for what they were asked to do we can assume.
    2gy76s, Apr 16, 2004
  15. Nah, it just wouldn't very good TV:

    KIRK: Scotty I need everything you've got, we're browsing the
    Harbourside site
    SCOTTY: Ack, Cap'n I canna give ye any more ban'width
    Andrew Urquhart, Apr 16, 2004
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    Steve Pugh Guest

    I disagree. A totally unscientific survey amongst friends and family
    tells me that users switch to broadband to get the same content
    faster, not to get more content at the same speed. Things that are
    only practical with broadband (downloading mp3s, movies, software,
    etc.) are seen as something extra to the basic web surfing experience.

    Where you might notice a difference is amongst the younger audience
    (pre- and early teens) who won't have experience of anything except
    broadband. However, and this is digressing rapidly, when a project I
    worked on conducted usability tests on an early teens group we
    discovered that their attitude to the web was not what we expected -
    they were actually quite resistant to innovation. As they had grown up
    with the web it was part of life and not something special, as such
    they expected it to work and to work reliably. Basic things such as
    always underlining links (which some people think of as only important
    to boring old usability pedants) were mentioned as being very
    important by 12 and 13 year olds.

    Steve Pugh, Apr 16, 2004
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    SpaceGirl Guest

    You missed games. Consider that all consoles are broadband enabled now, and
    all the 3rd gen console are coming out this Christmas, all bundled with

    There's a break point where the speed is high enough to enjoy full screen
    multimedia and still have it download instantly. We have 2mbit cable here in
    Edinburgh, for about £50 a month. We can happily watch full-screen video
    with no waiting, and have other machines in our house surf perfectly
    uninterupted too. Try doing that on a 512k or 256k line...
    Everyone is resistant to change... but when the net becomes just another
    thing you do from the TV, narrowband users are dead meat. And this is
    happening right now. Pretty much all cellphones coming out now are broadband
    (3G) too.
    SpaceGirl, Apr 16, 2004
  18. [snip]

    A totally unscientific survey, of just me, tells me that broadband, especially
    always-on broadband, enables one to think about information, news, facts, etc,
    in a very different way.

    Instead of assuming things, I check. I have pe-configured Google news-searches
    for updates on specialist topics. Every day I find out new things that I
    thought were so but are not. I build searches, etc, into my workflow, to
    produce stuff of (hopefully) higher quality.

    It is perhaps a bit like living in a library - but you only appreciate living
    in a library if you get into the habit of looking at the books.
    Barry Pearson, Apr 16, 2004
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    Pyromancer Guest

    Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Karl Groves
    But people looking for up-market property will probably surf from work
    (my boss at the last place certainly did, plus all the calls to estate
    agents, etc, simply because that's when they were open - he worked late
    to make the time up, and the MD was perfectly happy with this), where
    the majority of them will already have a fast connection anyway.

    If you want to sell to people with money, you have to package your
    product in a way that appeals to the wealthy. Netto sells some
    excellent products, but by and large the wealthy don't shop there
    because it doesn't carry the same ambience as, say, M&S.
    Pyromancer, Apr 16, 2004
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    Pyromancer Guest

    Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Barry
    Hmm. And you can just imagine what the main use of a real holodeck
    would be! :)
    Pyromancer, Apr 16, 2004
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