Frames-Oriented Question

[Revd. Norle Enturbulata]

You can when frames are properly implemented (which is rare), frames
cause other issues that cannot be worked around.

Please expand on this. What other issues? I appreciate your feedback, btw.

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[Revd. Norle Enturbulata]

[snip, snip, snip]

Guys, guys.... c'mon.... What is it that looks like a troll, walks like a troll,
and talks like a troll?

Sorry dood. I'm asking technical advice. You've never worked on a support
line, or supported anyone have you?


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Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
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Comedy Saves!
$cientology Enslaves!

 

[Kris]

Guys, guys.... c'mon.... What is it that looks like a troll, walks like a

troll, and talks like a troll?

Sorry dood. I'm asking technical advice. You've never worked on a support
line, or supported anyone have you?[/QUOTE]

Usenet is not a support line.

 

[Kris]

I find your site. Let's say you have a hundred pages or so. I read
for, oh, twenty minutes and I find a page about something I want to
read (or buy!) but I don't have the time for it just now. Wifey just
called dinner is ready.

I can't bookmark this page to come back to after dinner; I can only
bookmark your main URL. I will have to spend another twenty (well,
maybe ten) minutes trying to find the page again. Nah, I'll just go
back to Google and look for another site that sells the same thing.

Okay, I'll include a "bookmark this page" script. End of problem. What
else?[/QUOTE]

Won't work for me. Or would you want me to download a PC with Windows
and IE installed? Give me a URL then.

Cure, don't patch.

 

[Revd. Norle Enturbulata]

Okay, I'll include a "bookmark this page" script. End of problem. What
else?

Won't work for me. Or would you want me to download a PC with Windows
and IE installed? Give me a URL then.

Cure, don't patch.[/QUOTE]

Cryptic. I'm also not interested in flame-warring about Microsoft products.
Go figure!

 

[Revd. Norle Enturbulata]

like a
troll, and talks like a troll?

Sorry dood. I'm asking technical advice. You've never worked on a support
line, or supported anyone have you?

Usenet is not a support line.[/QUOTE]

Just some place for you to pontificate huh? Get real, kid. This is an OPEN
FORUM, a place for people to exchange ideas, discuss AND offer assistance to
people asking. Where's your problem with that?

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Quoth the raven named Revd. Norle Enturbulata:

Okay, I'll include a "bookmark this page" script. End of problem.

End of problem (perhaps) for those visitors who have JavaScript,
present and enabled.

What else?

Why don't you investigate using server-side technologies for
repetitive content, such as headers, menus, footers and make your
pages much simpler to maintain at the same time? It's quite easy. You
will probably have to give up FrontPage, though.
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">

BTW, why do you open Halloween.html in a new window? The embedded
media on that page also crashes my browser (Firefox and Mozilla 1.6).

 

[Revd. Norle Enturbulata]

Quoth the raven named Revd. Norle Enturbulata:


End of problem (perhaps) for those visitors who have JavaScript,
present and enabled.


Why don't you investigate using server-side technologies for
repetitive content, such as headers, menus, footers and make your
pages much simpler to maintain at the same time? It's quite easy. You
will probably have to give up FrontPage, though.
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">

Actually I don't just rely upon FP, having a deep-seated suspicion of
code-generators on their own. I've grown used to the interface and it
doesn't mess with my hand-coding - previous versions were awful about that.

BTW, why do you open Halloween.html in a new window? The embedded
media on that page also crashes my browser (Firefox and Mozilla 1.6).

That page is actually the first done back in 1996. I've been wanting to get
to it for a while, and the only answer at this point is a complete revamp of
the system. It was originally intended to be a more interactive process as
well.

If you look at the code you can see the main reason for the browser error
you're getting. It WAS RealAudio, but the Real player doesn't support their
own original format any more. I hated Real after they pimped those of us
who produce music on the Internet, when they silently stopped supporting
their own format, I stopped producing work in Real 100%. They left
thousands of web people out in the cold, and it was either figure out where
the original media file encoded to RM was, or reverse-engineer/record the
work so it could be reencoded, or junk everything and start anew with
another format not Real. Combine this with their desceptive links to the
"free player" that linked to the Pay-for player, making it an act of
detective work just finding the "free player"; the unannounced and unwelcome
additions of AOL crapola to user machines; the constant changing of the
links to the "free player" in order to defeat webmasters' efforts to help
people find it... and it all shows a mercenary attitude towards their
userbase that I consider unacceptable in any kind of environment. End of
rant.

Ahenh! Thus my thoughts on the frames level, and my questions here. One of
the items on the agenda, by the way, is the code to allow WM to be
implemented as startup sounds for all browsers. Simple, yes, but in
combination with a load of other items, just one more thing to fix.

Thanks for responding.

 

[Gwilym Calon]

[snip, snip, snip]

Guys, guys.... c'mon.... What is it that looks like a troll, walks like a troll,
and talks like a troll?

Sorry dood. I'm asking technical advice. You've never worked on a support
line, or supported anyone have you?

Yep! It's a troll.

 

[brucie]

in post: <

Yep! It's a troll.

i have to agree, the OP sounds very familiar i'm sure i've come across
it or something very much like it before. besides i refuse to believe
someone can be so brain dead and yet still have the ability to use
usenet (unless he has someone helping him)

 

[Revd. Norle Enturbulata]

in post: <

i have to agree, the OP sounds very familiar i'm sure i've come across
it or something very much like it before. besides i refuse to believe
someone can be so brain dead and yet still have the ability to use
usenet (unless he has someone helping him)

Bad mirroring, bub. If you could read you might see the beginning of the
thread.

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Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
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"Better than 90 percent of what my
father has written about himself is untrue."
- Ron deWolf, son of L. Ron Hubbard

 

[Gwilym Calon]

Bad mirroring, bub. If you could read you might see the beginning of the
thread.

More troll-speak.

How many trolls does it take to change a light-bulb? None; they just sit back
and watch everyone else struggle whilst they know the power is out!

 

[Gwilym Calon]

[snip, snip, snip]

Guys, guys.... c'mon.... What is it that looks like a troll, walks like a troll,
and talks like a troll?

Sorry dood. I'm asking technical advice. You've never worked on a support
line, or supported anyone have you?

Yep! It's a troll.

.....and I'm not the first to say so (am I, Stephen Goodman?).

See
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=Norle+Enturbulata&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en

 

[Spartanicus]

Please expand on this. What other issues?

Follow the links that Mark Parnell provided.

 

[Revd. Norle Enturbulata]

Follow the links that Mark Parnell provided.

Links? Mark P only posted one message in this thread so far, about how as a
user he hates frames. No link there beyond his own url.

Perhaps it hasn't propagated to Virgin's news servers yet.

 

[Kris]

Usenet is not a support line.

Just some place for you to pontificate huh?[/QUOTE]

What makes you think that?

Get real, kid.

Attempts to patronize don't worok on Usenet.

This is an OPEN FORUM,

Read the sign again.

a place for people to exchange ideas, discuss AND offer assistance to
people asking. Where's your problem with that?

Your demand for support.

 

[Kris]

Won't work for me. Or would you want me to download a PC with Windows
and IE installed? Give me a URL then.

Cure, don't patch.

Cryptic.[/QUOTE]

For some.

I'm also not interested in flame-warring about Microsoft products.

You would not recognize one if it hit you in the face, since you think
this is one. Maybe time to realize that the Web is not Microsoft, eh?

Go figure!

The nurse doesn't allow me.

 

[Revd. Norle Enturbulata]

Cryptic.

For some.

I'm also not interested in flame-warring about Microsoft products.

You would not recognize one if it hit you in the face, since you think
this is one. Maybe time to realize that the Web is not Microsoft, eh?

Go figure!

The nurse doesn't allow me.[/QUOTE]

I'll bet. But since that's not what I was discussing it's a moot point.

 

[Revd. Norle Enturbulata]

Just some place for you to pontificate huh?

What makes you think that?

Get real, kid.

Attempts to patronize don't worok on Usenet.

This is an OPEN FORUM,

Read the sign again.

a place for people to exchange ideas, discuss AND offer assistance to
people asking. Where's your problem with that?

Your demand for support.[/QUOTE]

....demand? Since when is putting a concept up for discussion, with the
intent of gleaning advice, a "demand"? Whatta thin skin you gots, Grandma!

 

[Spartanicus]

Links? Mark P only posted one message in this thread so far, about how as a
user he hates frames. No link there beyond his own url.

Perhaps it hasn't propagated to Virgin's news servers yet.

Sure it has, I'll repeat them just the same: