Is the end of HTML as we know it?

[1001 Webs]

Right, if you use it the way they do, which means not for regular
text. They use it only for things such as copyright notices and
legalese.

I have to settle for something.
What's your advice?
I tried with percentages and didn't look right, but I wasn't taking
into account inheritance ...
Many people recommends percentages for html/body as a "global" setting
and then using ems from then on.

 

[Bone Ur]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:35:57
GMT Chaddy2222 scribed:

Well they could be, but the portfolio is a purely presssontational
thing.
BTW it also saves on HTTP requests as the images are all in the SWF
file.

Yeah, that's true. And, btw, I don't hate Flash (anymore) but I do think
it could still be better (-in addition to the shlocks screwing-up their
code.) Probably in time it will be.

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

I have to settle for something.

No, you don't.

What's your advice?

Don't use anything; it's unnecessary.

I tried with percentages and didn't look right, but I wasn't taking
into account inheritance ...

URL?

Many people recommends percentages for html/body as a "global" setting
and then using ems from then on.

The biggest mistake in CSS is specifying too much.

 

[1001 Webs]

No, you don't. Uh?


Don't use anything; it's unnecessary.

Beg your pardon?

URL?

http://www.1001webs.net
The style sheet comes from a Template supplied by a third party.
Problem is that I have to use it for the front end if I want it to
look exactly the same as the backend (a phpCOIN installation), so that
it is consistent with the overall look of the site when a customer
logs in.

The biggest mistake in CSS is specifying too much.

Then you're going to LOVE this style sheet;
http://www.1001webs.net/en/styles.css

 

[Sherman Pendley]

I have to settle for something.
What's your advice?
I tried with percentages and didn't look right, but I wasn't taking
into account inheritance ...
Many people recommends percentages for html/body as a "global" setting
and then using ems from then on.

What Chris meant is that it's bad practice to use smaller than normal text
outside of "fine print" like copyright notices and legalese. The problem
with specifying body text at (for example) 60% is not the use of % units,
the problem is that for many folks it will come out too small to read.

sherm--

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

Beg your pardon?

Remove ALL font-size specifications. Then add the few (if any) that
are needed to fix up the page.

http://www.1001webs.net

I cannot read it; it is far too small.

The style sheet comes from a Template supplied by a third party.

I hate to be a third party pooper, but you should find a different
party.

Problem is that I have to use it for the front end if I want it to
look exactly the same as the backend (a phpCOIN installation), so that
it is consistent with the overall look of the site when a customer
logs in.

Why do you want a consistently unreadable format?

Then you're going to LOVE this style sheet;
http://www.1001webs.net/en/styles.css

39,764 bytes for a style sheet? That's bizarre.

There are more than 240 font-family specifications, but there are
only three different specifications.

90% (or more) of the stylesheet is redundant.

After removing all 236 font-size specs, the page is readable and
looks almost good. Removing all 60 instances of 'text-align:
center;' would make the page even better.

 

[1001 Webs]

Remove ALL font-size specifications. Then add the few (if any) that
are needed to fix up the page.

I have already done that.
Here's how it looks now:
html, body {
margin: 0px;
background-color: #2E75D8;
line-height: 130%;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
}

I cannot read it; it is far too small.

What's your browser?

I hate to be a third party pooper, but you should find a different
party.

Too late for that.
I have 10 people working upon that design, translating and else.
Whatever fix can be done it has to be through the stylesheet.
In the near future we'll go XHTML tableless, but now there's no time
for transitions.

Why do you want a consistently unreadable format?

The style sheet has to be applied to the CMS Template as well and
there are lots of classes related to different menus.
What I mean is that it has to work for both the front end and the back
end which is a CMS:
http://www.1001webs.net/coinen/

39,764 bytes for a style sheet? That's bizarre.

There are more than 240 font-family specifications, but there are
only three different specifications.

90% (or more) of the stylesheet is redundant.

After removing all 236 font-size specs, the page is readable and
looks almost good. Removing all 60 instances of 'text-align:
center;' would make the page even better.

Probably.
I finish trimming it and I'll try that as well.
Haven't uploaded yet because a few things are oversized and out of
place.
More so when I get into the CMS,

Thanks for everything.

 

[1001 Webs]

What Chris meant is that it's bad practice to use smaller than normal text
outside of "fine print" like copyright notices and legalese. The problem
with specifying body text at (for example) 60% is not the use of % units,
the problem is that for many folks it will come out too small to read.

I understand that.
What I don't understand is why would anybody use anything but
percentages if that's what they used to define global settings to
start with.
I am not planning to use smaller units for the main text, but I have
to use them for several other places and my question is whether I
should use ems, percentages, keywords, points, pixels or whatever.
This is nuts.

Thanks anyway.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

I am not planning to use smaller units for the main text, but I have
to use them for several other places and my question is whether I
should use ems, percentages, keywords, points, pixels or whatever.

Just use percents.
Like my fontsize page I've posted several times for you.

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

I have already done that.
Here's how it looks now:
html, body {
margin: 0px;
background-color: #2E75D8;
line-height: 130%;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
}

Did you remove all 236 instances of font-size?

What's your browser?

It is too small in every broswer I have tried (except Lynx) because
you use px sizes, all of which are wrong, and most of which are
unnecessary.

Too late for that.
I have 10 people working upon that design, translating and else.
Whatever fix can be done it has to be through the stylesheet.

Remove 90% of it.

In the near future we'll go XHTML tableless, but now there's no time
for transitions.

Why XHTML? It is not supported by MSIE. You would be better off
with HTML4.01.

The style sheet has to be applied to the CMS Template as well and
there are lots of classes related to different menus.

Why do they all have to be different? In fact, in that mess of a
stylesheet there is very little difference between them.

What I mean is that it has to work for both the front end and the back
end which is a CMS:

All the more reason to get it right before you put it into the CMS.

http://www.1001webs.net/coinen/

Probably.
I finish trimming it and I'll try that as well.

Get rid of the 176 instances of
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
and put it, once, in "body { ... }".

There are many other similar things you can do.

Haven't uploaded yet because a few things are oversized and out of
place.

What is oversized? If it is oversized without any font-size specs,
your browser needs adjusting.

 

[Chaddy2222]

I have to settle for something.
What's your advice?

Use 100% for all body content.

I tried with percentages and didn't look right, but I wasn't taking
into account inheritance ...

Piss off the verdonna, it will give you issues due to it's large line
hight by default, it's got a larger style.

Many people recommends percentages for html/body as a "global" setting
and then using ems from then on.

Don't read shit tutorials, make sure the tutorial page validates
correctly and that you can re-size the page ok etc.

 

[Chaddy2222]

Chaddy2222 wrote:
: It was a template I developed for my own sites.
: http://freewebdesign.awardspace.biz now is useing it.
: It should look a lot better as I changed a lot of things in the CSS.

I hope you can take constructive criticism...

The flash thingy for your portfolio is annoying. Why does the text have to
flip, roll, spin, or bounce oddly into place?


Heidi

Hmmm do you think it would look better if they all (meaning the text)
came in the same way? I believe I was thinking of doing that first.

 

[1001 Webs]

Hmmm do you think it would look better if they all (meaning the text)
came in the same way? I believe I was thinking of doing that first.

It would look better if you learned to use Flash in the first place.
It is just pathetic the way it looks.
Aren't you ashamed of showing off such a disgrace?

 

[1001 Webs]

Just use percents.
Like my fontsize page I've posted several times for you.

Right Beauregard,

Back to the roots.

I wasn't taken inheritance into account, and I was going nuts.

I haven't forgotten about the beef steaks, either.

 

[1001 Webs]

Did you remove all 236 instances of font-size?


It is too small in every broswer I have tried (except Lynx) because
you use px sizes, all of which are wrong, and most of which are
unnecessary.


Remove 90% of it.


Why XHTML? It is not supported by MSIE. You would be better off
with HTML4.01.


Why do they all have to be different? In fact, in that mess of a
stylesheet there is very little difference between them.


All the more reason to get it right before you put it into the CMS.




Get rid of the 176 instances of
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
and put it, once, in "body { ... }".

There are many other similar things you can do.


What is oversized? If it is oversized without any font-size specs,
your browser needs adjusting.

I mean oversized when it doesnt fit in the boxes is supposed to.
I think is almost done now.

Thank you, Chris.
You are cordially invited to the Grand BBQ to celebrate 1001webs
launch.

.... some time 1st quarter next year ...

 

[1001 Webs]

Use 100% for all body content.


Piss off the verdonna, it will give you issues due to it's large line
hight by default, it's got a larger style.> Many people recommends percentages for html/body as a "global" setting

You know Chaddy, since you are such an ignorant person you should
learn at least when to shut up.

Don't read shit tutorials, make sure the tutorial page validates
correctly and that you can re-size the page ok etc.

I have a better idea.
I'm not going to read your mindless obvieties.

<PLONK>

 

[asdf]

Right Beauregard,

Back to the roots.

I wasn't taken inheritance into account, and I was going nuts.

I haven't forgotten about the beef steaks, either.

Drugs... it has to be drugs....

 

[asdf]

[snip]

Thank you, Chris.
You are cordially invited to the Grand BBQ to celebrate 1001webs
launch.

... some time 1st quarter next year ...

.... an event to be missed.

 

[asdf]

[snip]

I have a better idea.
I'm not going to read your mindless obvieties.

<PLONK>

Frankly, you are a waste of bandwidth.

 

[rf]

I mean oversized when it doesnt fit in the boxes is supposed to.
I think is almost done now.

Then it's worse. It's not your browser that needs adjusting, it is your
design.

It is plain stupid to expect resizable text to fit in some arbitrarily sized
box.