Headers

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

How important is it to associate each cell with the respective header on a
table?
Compare for example:
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisizilien.html

 

[rf]

How important is it to associate each cell with the respective header on a
table?
Compare for example:
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html

http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisizilien.html

Compare what? As far as I can tell these pages are identical.

Are you are talking about the white table at the bottom? Well this confused
me at first.

I kept trying to determine what the numbers mean. Types of room down and
numbers of different beds in them across? This does not correlate.

After all, for a wardrobe or a kitchen I wouldn't even expect there to *be*
a column detailing how many single beds there are. Area yes, but not beds.
You also fail to mention how many toilets are in the badzimmers

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisizilien.html

Compare what? As far as I can tell these pages are identical.

They are not. The code in the table is not.

Are you are talking about the white table at the bottom? Well this confused
me at first. Yes.
I kept trying to determine what the numbers mean. Types of room down and
numbers of different beds in them across? This does not correlate.

Why not?

After all, for a wardrobe or a kitchen I wouldn't even expect there to *be*
a column detailing how many single beds there are. Area yes, but not beds.
You also fail to mention how many toilets are in the badzimmers

There is for example a double sofa bed in the living-room.

 

[jake]

How important is it to associate each cell with the respective header on a
table?
Compare for example:
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisiz
ilien.html

The headers are really for use by assistive technology (AT) User Agents
(screen-readers, talking browsers, etc.)

I switched my talking browser into German and tried to navigate the
table.

It works fine.

As I move focus from one cell to the next, it prefixes the contents by
the contents of the header at the top of the cell.

So I hear:
Zimmer Schlaflimmer 1
Flasche 18,25m
KleineBette 0
Doppelbett 1
etc.

and so on for each cell as I move backwards and forwards along the row.

In practice, my browser is smart enough to do it without the mark-up,
but it's valuable for those AT UAs that need it.

regards.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

The headers are really for use by assistive technology (AT) User Agents
(screen-readers, talking browsers, etc.)

I switched my talking browser into German and tried to navigate the
table.

It works fine.

As I move focus from one cell to the next, it prefixes the contents by
the contents of the header at the top of the cell.

So I hear:
Zimmer Schlaflimmer 1

That should be Zimmer Schlafzimmer. I hope that it was only a spelling
mistake and that the talking browser speaks the right words.

Flasche 18,25m

That should be Fläche. Does the talking browser say that they are square
meters?

KleineBette 0
Doppelbett 1
etc.

When it reads the data of the second bedroom, does it say
Zimmer Schlafzimmer 2
Fläche 11,34 and so on?

 

[jake]

That should be Zimmer Schlafzimmer. I hope that it was only a spelling
mistake and that the talking browser speaks the right words.

Yes. A spelling mistake (I don't speak German .... apart from 2
sentences)

That should be Fläche. Does the talking browser say that they are square
meters?

Hard to say as I don't speak German ;-)
It does say 'square metres' when I switch the language to English,
though.

In German it gives the number and adds something that sounds like 'Em
Hofgeshtelter zvai' .... does that mean anything?

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

Yes. A spelling mistake (I don't speak German .... apart from 2
sentences)


Hard to say as I don't speak German ;-)
It does say 'square metres' when I switch the language to English,
though.

In German it gives the number and adds something that sounds like 'Em
Hofgeshtelter zvai' .... does that mean anything?

Well, "zvai" is approximately the pronunciation of "zwei" which means "two"
and the other words seems to be "m aufgestellter" May-be that if I wrote
Quadratmeter it would be more clear.
What else is necessary to let the page
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
accessible to talking browsers?

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

header
Well, "zvai" is approximately the pronunciation of "zwei" which means "two"
and the other words seems to be "m aufgestellter" May-be that if I wrote
Quadratmeter it would be more clear.
What else is necessary to let the page
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
accessible to talking browsers?

Or was it already completely accessible to them?

 

[jake]

Or was it already completely accessible to them?
--
Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizi
lien.html

As I don't speak German it's not really possible for me to say. I would
think that a native German-speaker would be the best person to ask.

If it helps, here's a transcript of your page as 'seen' and spoken by a
talking browser.

http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/LU1.TXT

I have prefixed everything spoken in a 'headings' voice by '(H)' and
everything spoken in a 'links' voice by '*' -- assuming I haven't
missed any.

**The page is spoken in the sequence in which you see it.**

One thing that you should consider on any page with a menu is whether
you should have a 'skip navigation' link placed so that it's spoken
immediately on entry. The 'skip navigation' link will allow the user to
bypass the menu items and go straight to the main content.

regards.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

In message <[email protected]>, Luigi Donatello Asero
If it helps, here's a transcript of your page as 'seen' and spoken by a
talking browser.

http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/LU1.TXT

I have prefixed everything spoken in a 'headings' voice by '(H)' and
everything spoken in a 'links' voice by '*' -- assuming I haven't
missed any.

**The page is spoken in the sequence in which you see it.**

One thing that you should consider on any page with a menu is whether
you should have a 'skip navigation' link placed so that it's spoken
immediately on entry. The 'skip navigation' link will allow the user to
bypass the menu items and go straight to the main content.

Do you mean a link to a page without menu and with the same content which
should be placed on all the pages with a menu?

 

[jake]

Do you mean a link to a page without menu and with the same content which
should be placed on all the pages with a menu?
--
Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizi
lien.html

No. Just a link as the first entry on the page that will allow the user
to skip past the menus and go directly to the main content.

Something like (in the appropriate language for the page):

<a href="#skip"> <img src="./ONEPIC.GIF" height="1" width="1" alt="Go
directly to the main content."> </a>

The information is invisible to the graphics browser (because a 1-pixel
image is too small to be seen), but the alternative text will be spoken
by the screen-reader/browser -- and seen by a text-only browser.

regards.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

No. Just a link as the first entry on the page that will allow the user
to skip past the menus and go directly to the main content.

Something like (in the appropriate language for the page):

<a href="#skip"> <img src="./ONEPIC.GIF" height="1" width="1" alt="Go
directly to the main content."> </a>

The information is invisible to the graphics browser (because a 1-pixel
image is too small to be seen), but the alternative text will be spoken
by the screen-reader/browser -- and seen by a text-only browser.

regards.

Do you mean somethng like that?
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/test1.html

 

[jake]

Do you mean somethng like that?
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/test1.html
--
Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizi
lien.html

Yes, that's the kind of thing.

You need to lose the border around the 1-pixel image so that it's
'invisible'. Something like this should do it:

..bypass IMG { border: none; }

-----------------------------------------------------

<div class="bypass">
<a href="#skip"> <img src="./ONEPIC.GIF" height="1" width="1"
-----------------------------------------------------

I was thinking. Rather than repeat 'Quadratmeter' in each cell, why
not simply have "Fläche (Quadratmeter)" as the header for the column?

regards.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

Yes, that's the kind of thing.

You need to lose the border around the 1-pixel image so that it's
'invisible'. Something like this should do it:

.bypass IMG { border: none; }

-----------------------------------------------------

<div class="bypass">
<a href="#skip"> <img src="./ONEPIC.GIF" height="1" width="1"

-----------------------------------------------------

It seems to be easier to lose the border of all the images in the CSS sheet.
Now I do not see any 1-pixel image on the page
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html

I was thinking. Rather than repeat 'Quadratmeter' in each cell, why
not simply have "Fläche (Quadratmeter)" as the header for the column?

I have thought about it but does that help those hearing the talking
browser?