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  1. Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 24, 2004
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    rf Guest

    "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> wrote in message
    news:w2BCc.96818$...
    > How important is it to associate each cell with the respective header on a
    > table?
    > Compare for example:
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    >

    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisizilien.html

    Compare what? As far as I can tell these pages are identical.

    Are you are talking about the white table at the bottom? Well this confused
    me at first.

    I kept trying to determine what the numbers mean. Types of room down and
    numbers of different beds in them across? This does not correlate.

    After all, for a wardrobe or a kitchen I wouldn't even expect there to *be*
    a column detailing how many single beds there are. Area yes, but not beds.
    You also fail to mention how many toilets are in the badzimmers :)

    --
    Cheers
    Richard.
    rf, Jun 25, 2004
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  3. "rf" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    >
    > "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> wrote in message
    > news:w2BCc.96818$...
    > > How important is it to associate each cell with the respective header on

    a
    > > table?
    > > Compare for example:
    > > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    > >

    >

    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisizilien.html
    >
    > Compare what? As far as I can tell these pages are identical.

    They are not. The code in the table is not.
    >
    > Are you are talking about the white table at the bottom? Well this

    confused
    > me at first.

    Yes.
    > I kept trying to determine what the numbers mean. Types of room down and
    > numbers of different beds in them across? This does not correlate.

    Why not?

    > After all, for a wardrobe or a kitchen I wouldn't even expect there to

    *be*
    > a column detailing how many single beds there are. Area yes, but not beds.
    > You also fail to mention how many toilets are in the badzimmers :)


    There is for example a double sofa bed in the living-room.

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 25, 2004
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    jake Guest

    In message <w2BCc.96818$>, Luigi Donatello
    Asero <> writes
    >How important is it to associate each cell with the respective header on a
    >table?
    >Compare for example:
    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisiz
    >ilien.html
    >
    >--
    > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    >
    >
    >
    >


    The headers are really for use by assistive technology (AT) User Agents
    (screen-readers, talking browsers, etc.)

    I switched my talking browser into German and tried to navigate the
    table.

    It works fine.

    As I move focus from one cell to the next, it prefixes the contents by
    the contents of the header at the top of the cell.

    So I hear:
    Zimmer Schlaflimmer 1
    Flasche 18,25m
    KleineBette 0
    Doppelbett 1
    etc.

    and so on for each cell as I move backwards and forwards along the row.

    In practice, my browser is smart enough to do it without the mark-up,
    but it's valuable for those AT UAs that need it.

    regards.
    --
    Jake
    jake, Jun 25, 2004
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  5. "jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:...
    > In message <w2BCc.96818$>, Luigi Donatello
    > Asero <> writes
    > >How important is it to associate each cell with the respective header on

    a
    > >table?
    > >Compare for example:
    > >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    > >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisiz
    > >ilien.html
    > >
    > >--
    > > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    > >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > The headers are really for use by assistive technology (AT) User Agents
    > (screen-readers, talking browsers, etc.)
    >
    > I switched my talking browser into German and tried to navigate the
    > table.
    >
    > It works fine.
    >
    > As I move focus from one cell to the next, it prefixes the contents by
    > the contents of the header at the top of the cell.
    >
    > So I hear:
    > Zimmer Schlaflimmer 1

    That should be Zimmer Schlafzimmer. I hope that it was only a spelling
    mistake and that the talking browser speaks the right words.
    > Flasche 18,25m

    That should be Fläche. Does the talking browser say that they are square
    meters?
    > KleineBette 0
    > Doppelbett 1
    > etc.


    When it reads the data of the second bedroom, does it say
    Zimmer Schlafzimmer 2
    Fläche 11,34 and so on?
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 25, 2004
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    jake Guest

    In message <27XCc.96917$>, Luigi Donatello
    Asero <> writes
    >
    >"jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    >news:...
    >> In message <w2BCc.96818$>, Luigi Donatello
    >> Asero <> writes
    >> >How important is it to associate each cell with the respective header on

    >a
    >> >table?
    >> >Compare for example:
    >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisiz
    >> >ilien.html
    >> >
    >> >--
    >> > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    >> > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >> The headers are really for use by assistive technology (AT) User Agents
    >> (screen-readers, talking browsers, etc.)
    >>
    >> I switched my talking browser into German and tried to navigate the
    >> table.
    >>
    >> It works fine.
    >>
    >> As I move focus from one cell to the next, it prefixes the contents by
    >> the contents of the header at the top of the cell.
    >>
    >> So I hear:
    >> Zimmer Schlaflimmer 1

    >That should be Zimmer Schlafzimmer. I hope that it was only a spelling
    >mistake and that the talking browser speaks the right words.


    Yes. A spelling mistake (I don't speak German .... apart from 2
    sentences)

    >> Flasche 18,25m

    >That should be Fläche. Does the talking browser say that they are square
    >meters?


    Hard to say as I don't speak German ;-)
    It does say 'square metres' when I switch the language to English,
    though.

    In German it gives the number and adds something that sounds like 'Em
    Hofgeshtelter zvai' .... does that mean anything?


    >> KleineBette 0
    >> Doppelbett 1
    >> etc.

    >
    >When it reads the data of the second bedroom, does it say
    >Zimmer Schlafzimmer 2
    >Fläche 11,34 and so on?


    Yes.


    > --
    > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    >
    >
    >
    >


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    Jake
    jake, Jun 25, 2004
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  7. "jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:...
    > In message <27XCc.96917$>, Luigi Donatello
    > Asero <> writes
    > >
    > >"jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > >news:...
    > >> In message <w2BCc.96818$>, Luigi Donatello
    > >> Asero <> writes
    > >> >How important is it to associate each cell with the respective header

    on
    > >a
    > >> >table?
    > >> >Compare for example:
    > >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    > >>

    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisiz
    > >> >ilien.html
    > >> >
    > >> >--
    > >> > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > >> > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    > >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html

    > >That should be Zimmer Schlafzimmer. I hope that it was only a spelling
    > >mistake and that the talking browser speaks the right words.

    >
    > Yes. A spelling mistake (I don't speak German .... apart from 2
    > sentences)
    >
    > >> Flasche 18,25m

    > >That should be Fläche. Does the talking browser say that they are square
    > >meters?

    >
    > Hard to say as I don't speak German ;-)
    > It does say 'square metres' when I switch the language to English,
    > though.
    >
    > In German it gives the number and adds something that sounds like 'Em
    > Hofgeshtelter zvai' .... does that mean anything?

    Well, "zvai" is approximately the pronunciation of "zwei" which means "two"
    and the other words seems to be "m aufgestellter" May-be that if I wrote
    Quadratmeter it would be more clear.
    What else is necessary to let the page
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    accessible to talking browsers?

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizilien.html
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 25, 2004
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  8. "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    >
    > "jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:...
    > > In message <27XCc.96917$>, Luigi Donatello
    > > Asero <> writes
    > > >
    > > >"jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > > >news:...
    > > >> In message <w2BCc.96818$>, Luigi Donatello
    > > >> Asero <> writes
    > > >> >How important is it to associate each cell with the respective

    header
    > on
    > > >a
    > > >> >table?
    > > >> >Compare for example:
    > > >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    > > >>

    > >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisiz
    > > >> >ilien.html
    > > >> >
    > > >> >--
    > > >> > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > > >> > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    > > >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    > > >That should be Zimmer Schlafzimmer. I hope that it was only a spelling
    > > >mistake and that the talking browser speaks the right words.

    > >
    > > Yes. A spelling mistake (I don't speak German .... apart from 2
    > > sentences)
    > >
    > > >> Flasche 18,25m
    > > >That should be Fläche. Does the talking browser say that they are

    square
    > > >meters?

    > >
    > > Hard to say as I don't speak German ;-)
    > > It does say 'square metres' when I switch the language to English,
    > > though.
    > >
    > > In German it gives the number and adds something that sounds like 'Em
    > > Hofgeshtelter zvai' .... does that mean anything?

    > Well, "zvai" is approximately the pronunciation of "zwei" which means

    "two"
    > and the other words seems to be "m aufgestellter" May-be that if I wrote
    > Quadratmeter it would be more clear.
    > What else is necessary to let the page
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    > accessible to talking browsers?


    Or was it already completely accessible to them?
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizilien.html
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 25, 2004
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    jake Guest

    In message <AIYCc.3573$>, Luigi Donatello Asero
    <> writes
    >
    >"Luigi Donatello Asero" <> skrev i meddelandet
    >news:6EYCc.3572$...
    >>
    >> "jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    >> news:...
    >> > In message <27XCc.96917$>, Luigi Donatello
    >> > Asero <> writes
    >> > >
    >> > >"jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    >> > >news:...
    >> > >> In message <w2BCc.96818$>, Luigi Donatello
    >> > >> Asero <> writes
    >> > >> >How important is it to associate each cell with the respective

    >header
    >> on
    >> > >a
    >> > >> >table?
    >> > >> >Compare for example:
    >> > >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    >> > >>
    >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmereinsferienwohnungzweisiz
    >> > >> >ilien.html
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >--
    >> > >> > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    >> > >> > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    >> > >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    >> > >That should be Zimmer Schlafzimmer. I hope that it was only a spelling
    >> > >mistake and that the talking browser speaks the right words.
    >> >
    >> > Yes. A spelling mistake (I don't speak German .... apart from 2
    >> > sentences)
    >> >
    >> > >> Flasche 18,25m
    >> > >That should be Fläche. Does the talking browser say that they are

    >square
    >> > >meters?
    >> >
    >> > Hard to say as I don't speak German ;-)
    >> > It does say 'square metres' when I switch the language to English,
    >> > though.
    >> >
    >> > In German it gives the number and adds something that sounds like 'Em
    >> > Hofgeshtelter zvai' .... does that mean anything?

    >> Well, "zvai" is approximately the pronunciation of "zwei" which means

    >"two"
    >> and the other words seems to be "m aufgestellter" May-be that if I wrote
    >> Quadratmeter it would be more clear.
    >> What else is necessary to let the page
    >> http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    >> accessible to talking browsers?

    >
    >Or was it already completely accessible to them?
    >--
    > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizi
    >lien.html
    >
    >

    As I don't speak German it's not really possible for me to say. I would
    think that a native German-speaker would be the best person to ask.

    If it helps, here's a transcript of your page as 'seen' and spoken by a
    talking browser.

    http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/LU1.TXT

    I have prefixed everything spoken in a 'headings' voice by '(H)' and
    everything spoken in a 'links' voice by '*' -- assuming I haven't
    missed any.

    **The page is spoken in the sequence in which you see it.**

    One thing that you should consider on any page with a menu is whether
    you should have a 'skip navigation' link placed so that it's spoken
    immediately on entry. The 'skip navigation' link will allow the user to
    bypass the menu items and go straight to the main content.

    regards.
    >
    >
    >


    --
    Jake
    jake, Jun 25, 2004
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  10. "jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:...
    > In message <AIYCc.3573$>, Luigi Donatello Asero
    > <> writes
    > If it helps, here's a transcript of your page as 'seen' and spoken by a
    > talking browser.
    >
    > http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/LU1.TXT
    >
    > I have prefixed everything spoken in a 'headings' voice by '(H)' and
    > everything spoken in a 'links' voice by '*' -- assuming I haven't
    > missed any.
    >
    > **The page is spoken in the sequence in which you see it.**
    >
    > One thing that you should consider on any page with a menu is whether
    > you should have a 'skip navigation' link placed so that it's spoken
    > immediately on entry. The 'skip navigation' link will allow the user to
    > bypass the menu items and go straight to the main content.


    Do you mean a link to a page without menu and with the same content which
    should be placed on all the pages with a menu?
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizilien.html
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 26, 2004
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    jake Guest

    In message <3ycDc.3652$>, Luigi Donatello Asero
    <> writes
    >
    >"jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    >news:...
    >> In message <AIYCc.3573$>, Luigi Donatello Asero
    >> <> writes
    >> If it helps, here's a transcript of your page as 'seen' and spoken by a
    >> talking browser.
    >>
    >> http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/LU1.TXT
    >>
    >> I have prefixed everything spoken in a 'headings' voice by '(H)' and
    >> everything spoken in a 'links' voice by '*' -- assuming I haven't
    >> missed any.
    >>
    >> **The page is spoken in the sequence in which you see it.**
    >>
    >> One thing that you should consider on any page with a menu is whether
    >> you should have a 'skip navigation' link placed so that it's spoken
    >> immediately on entry. The 'skip navigation' link will allow the user to
    >> bypass the menu items and go straight to the main content.

    >
    >Do you mean a link to a page without menu and with the same content which
    >should be placed on all the pages with a menu?
    >--
    > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizi
    >lien.html
    >

    No. Just a link as the first entry on the page that will allow the user
    to skip past the menus and go directly to the main content.

    Something like (in the appropriate language for the page):

    <a href="#skip"> <img src="./ONEPIC.GIF" height="1" width="1" alt="Go
    directly to the main content."> </a>

    The information is invisible to the graphics browser (because a 1-pixel
    image is too small to be seen), but the alternative text will be spoken
    by the screen-reader/browser -- and seen by a text-only browser.

    regards.

    --
    Jake
    jake, Jun 26, 2004
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  12. "jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    > In message <3ycDc.3652$>, Luigi Donatello Asero
    > <> writes
    > >
    > >"jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > >news:...
    > >> In message <AIYCc.3573$>, Luigi Donatello

    Asero
    > >> <> writes
    > >> If it helps, here's a transcript of your page as 'seen' and spoken by a
    > >> talking browser.
    > >>
    > >> http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/LU1.TXT
    > >>
    > >> I have prefixed everything spoken in a 'headings' voice by '(H)' and
    > >> everything spoken in a 'links' voice by '*' -- assuming I haven't
    > >> missed any.
    > >>
    > >> **The page is spoken in the sequence in which you see it.**
    > >>
    > >> One thing that you should consider on any page with a menu is whether
    > >> you should have a 'skip navigation' link placed so that it's spoken
    > >> immediately on entry. The 'skip navigation' link will allow the user to
    > >> bypass the menu items and go straight to the main content.

    > >
    > >Do you mean a link to a page without menu and with the same content which
    > >should be placed on all the pages with a menu?
    > >--
    > > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    > >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizi
    > >lien.html
    > >

    > No. Just a link as the first entry on the page that will allow the user
    > to skip past the menus and go directly to the main content.
    >
    > Something like (in the appropriate language for the page):
    >
    > <a href="#skip"> <img src="./ONEPIC.GIF" height="1" width="1" alt="Go
    > directly to the main content."> </a>
    >
    > The information is invisible to the graphics browser (because a 1-pixel
    > image is too small to be seen), but the alternative text will be spoken
    > by the screen-reader/browser -- and seen by a text-only browser.
    >
    > regards.


    Do you mean somethng like that?
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/test1.html
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizilien.html
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 26, 2004
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    jake Guest

    In message <DJiDc.96969$>, Luigi Donatello
    Asero <> writes
    >
    >"jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    >news:cozxmWj$...
    >> In message <3ycDc.3652$>, Luigi Donatello Asero
    >> <> writes
    >> >
    >> >"jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    >> >news:...
    >> >> In message <AIYCc.3573$>, Luigi Donatello

    >Asero
    >> >> <> writes
    >> >> If it helps, here's a transcript of your page as 'seen' and spoken by a
    >> >> talking browser.
    >> >>
    >> >> http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/LU1.TXT
    >> >>
    >> >> I have prefixed everything spoken in a 'headings' voice by '(H)' and
    >> >> everything spoken in a 'links' voice by '*' -- assuming I haven't
    >> >> missed any.
    >> >>
    >> >> **The page is spoken in the sequence in which you see it.**
    >> >>
    >> >> One thing that you should consider on any page with a menu is whether
    >> >> you should have a 'skip navigation' link placed so that it's spoken
    >> >> immediately on entry. The 'skip navigation' link will allow the user to
    >> >> bypass the menu items and go straight to the main content.
    >> >
    >> >Do you mean a link to a page without menu and with the same content which
    >> >should be placed on all the pages with a menu?
    >> >--
    >> > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    >> > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    >> >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizi
    >> >lien.html
    >> >

    >> No. Just a link as the first entry on the page that will allow the user
    >> to skip past the menus and go directly to the main content.
    >>
    >> Something like (in the appropriate language for the page):
    >>
    >> <a href="#skip"> <img src="./ONEPIC.GIF" height="1" width="1" alt="Go
    >> directly to the main content."> </a>
    >>
    >> The information is invisible to the graphics browser (because a 1-pixel
    >> image is too small to be seen), but the alternative text will be spoken
    >> by the screen-reader/browser -- and seen by a text-only browser.
    >>
    >> regards.

    >
    >Do you mean somethng like that?
    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/test1.html
    >--
    > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizi
    >lien.html
    >
    >

    Yes, that's the kind of thing.

    You need to lose the border around the 1-pixel image so that it's
    'invisible'. Something like this should do it:

    ..bypass IMG { border: none; }

    -----------------------------------------------------

    <div class="bypass">
    <a href="#skip"> <img src="./ONEPIC.GIF" height="1" width="1"
    alt="Bitte, zum Hauptinhalt dieser Seite direkt gehen"></a>
    </div> <!--bypass -->
    >
    >

    -----------------------------------------------------

    I was thinking. Rather than repeat 'Quadratmeter' in each cell, why
    not simply have "Fläche (Quadratmeter)" as the header for the column?

    regards.
    >
    >


    --
    Jake
    jake, Jun 26, 2004
    #13
  14. "jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:...
    > In message <DJiDc.96969$>, Luigi Donatello
    > Asero <> writes
    > >
    > >"jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > >news:cozxmWj$...
    > >> In message <3ycDc.3652$>, Luigi Donatello

    Asero
    > >> <> writes
    > >> >
    > >> >"jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > >> >news:...
    > >> >> In message <AIYCc.3573$>, Luigi Donatello

    > >Asero
    > >> >> <> writes
    > >> >> If it helps, here's a transcript of your page as 'seen' and spoken

    by a
    > >> >> talking browser.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/LU1.TXT
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I have prefixed everything spoken in a 'headings' voice by '(H)' and
    > >> >> everything spoken in a 'links' voice by '*' -- assuming I haven't
    > >> >> missed any.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> **The page is spoken in the sequence in which you see it.**
    > >> >>
    > >> >> One thing that you should consider on any page with a menu is

    whether
    > >> >> you should have a 'skip navigation' link placed so that it's spoken
    > >> >> immediately on entry. The 'skip navigation' link will allow the user

    to
    > >> >> bypass the menu items and go straight to the main content.
    > >> >
    > >> >Do you mean a link to a page without menu and with the same content

    which
    > >> >should be placed on all the pages with a menu?
    > >> >--
    > >> > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > >> > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    > >>

    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizi
    > >> >lien.html
    > >> >
    > >> No. Just a link as the first entry on the page that will allow the user
    > >> to skip past the menus and go directly to the main content.
    > >>
    > >> Something like (in the appropriate language for the page):
    > >>
    > >> <a href="#skip"> <img src="./ONEPIC.GIF" height="1" width="1" alt="Go
    > >> directly to the main content."> </a>
    > >>
    > >> The information is invisible to the graphics browser (because a 1-pixel
    > >> image is too small to be seen), but the alternative text will be spoken
    > >> by the screen-reader/browser -- and seen by a text-only browser.
    > >>
    > >> regards.

    > >
    > >Do you mean somethng like that?
    > >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/test1.html
    > >--
    > > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    > >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizi
    > >lien.html
    > >
    > >

    > Yes, that's the kind of thing.
    >
    > You need to lose the border around the 1-pixel image so that it's
    > 'invisible'. Something like this should do it:
    >
    > .bypass IMG { border: none; }
    >
    > -----------------------------------------------------
    >
    > <div class="bypass">
    > <a href="#skip"> <img src="./ONEPIC.GIF" height="1" width="1"
    > alt="Bitte, zum Hauptinhalt dieser Seite direkt gehen"></a>
    > </div> <!--bypass -->
    > >
    > >

    > -----------------------------------------------------

    It seems to be easier to lose the border of all the images in the CSS sheet.
    Now I do not see any 1-pixel image on the page
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html


    >
    >I was thinking. Rather than repeat 'Quadratmeter' in each cell, why
    > not simply have "Fläche (Quadratmeter)" as the header for the column?

    I have thought about it but does that help those hearing the talking
    browser?
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/schlafzimmer-ferienwohnung-zwei-sizilien.html
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 27, 2004
    #14
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