iframes, flash, and search

[nddd]

Here is an example of a page that presentsa flash application. The
textual content of the pageis searchable by search engines asthe text
is in the source ofthe page butthe flash applicationis pulled in via an
iframe:

http://activepaper.olivesoftware.com/am.html

 

[ironcorona]

Here is an example of a page that presentsa flash application. The
textual content of the pageis searchable by search engines asthe text
is in the source ofthe page butthe flash applicationis pulled in via an
iframe:

http://activepaper.olivesoftware.com/am.html

Why would you design a web page that looks like a real newspaper? If I
want that real newspaper look and feel I'll go out and buy a newspaper.

It's an impressive page though.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Here is an example of a page that presentsa flash application. The
textual content of the pageis searchable by search engines asthe text
is in the source ofthe page butthe flash applicationis pulled in via an
iframe:

http://activepaper.olivesoftware.com/am.html

Not for dialup! Got tired of waiting for it to load....

 

[ironcorona]

Not for dialup! Got tired of waiting for it to load....

Wow, Dialup. Old School!

 

[Michael Laplante]

http://activepaper.olivesoftware.com/am.html

My default is Flash off so the website would be dead in the water for me
UNLESS there was something in the front page that told me a little about the
site and gave me a reason to turn it on.

That said, once past the front door it's VERY hard to read. Small fonts (and
I have a large screen with large fonts) and it's hard to follow the article
without dragging the page all over the place, or using those awkward scroll
bars that are hard to see against the busy background.

It's almost like somebody simply photocopied an open magazine -- doesn't
work for me at all on screen.

M

 

[Jim Moe]

Here is an example of a page that presentsa flash application. The
textual content of the pageis searchable by search engines asthe text
is in the source ofthe page butthe flash applicationis pulled in via an
iframe:

I suspect that you feel this site is a marvel of modern technology.
One of my first thoughts was: What a pain this must be to create every
day, and to maintain.
At first I had a completely blank page. I have Flash disabled. There was
*nothing* to encourage me to activate it.
When I did, it took 40 seconds to load on a DSL line! Then I could not
read anything, the text is too small. And it has the usual squirmy stuff
Flash developers are so obsessed with.
Everything about this site is annoying. It only confirms my opinion that
Flash (and similar) is the most utterly useless concept conceived for the WWW.

 

[ironcorona]

Everything about this site is annoying. It only confirms my opinion that
Flash (and similar) is the most utterly useless concept conceived for the WWW.

Apparently, along with Quicktime it's one of the ways that IPTV is
expected to take off because of it's ubiquity. But I agree, for text
based content use the system that is designed for text.

 

[Travis Newbury]

Here is an example of a page that presentsa flash application. The
textual content of the pageis searchable by search engines asthe text
is in the source ofthe page butthe flash applicationis pulled in via an
iframe:

http://activepaper.olivesoftware.com/am.html

First the page takes WAY too long to load. Tell your flash developers
to start optimizing and using as much JUT loading as it can. This will
make the experience even on dialup more pleasurable. I am on cable
and I got bored waiting for it to start.

If you want "constructive Criticism" about a Flash website then you
need to go to a group that is pro flash. This is hardly a pro flash
newgroup. Here you will just get criticism from people that don't like
flash to start with. (for the most part, not everyone)

Oh, flash is now search able by the big search engines. so putting
things in an iframe are just making things more complicated for no
reason.

 

[Travis Newbury]

Here is an example of a page that presentsa flash application. The
textual content of the pageis searchable by search engines asthe text
is in the source ofthe page butthe flash applicationis pulled in via an
iframe:

http://activepaper.olivesoftware.com/am.html

Oh, from a Flash lover. The site is ok, but I agree with someone else
that said, if I want to read a magazine, I will read a magazine. Come
up with something unique (this isn't unique). You Flash developers
seem good enough to do that.

 

[Andy Dingley]

Here is an example of a page that presentsa flash application.

Welcome to the Web. It's like magazines, only not made of paper. It's
quicker and it has better navigation than paper too -- you should try
it sometime.

I see a site like this and I'm reminded of the "mechanical horse
robots" that were drawn as the first way of making steam-powered
carriages. They didn't work particularly well either.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Wow, Dialup. Old School!

Not by choice! No cable, phone line works but no DSL or ISDN...Verzion
has no plans of upgrade, result dialup.

 

[ironcorona]

Not by choice! No cable, phone line works but no DSL or ISDN...Verzion
has no plans of upgrade, result dialup.

Ah, but you have another option
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt

 

[ironcorona]

Ah, but you have another option
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt

Two options actually. I nearly for got this one
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/08/data_transfer_via_sn.html

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ah, but you have another option
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt

Would be funny if I weren't living it! ;-) Actually we are supposed to
get BPL (Broadband over Power Line) as one of two pilot programs to
combat the 'Digital Divide'. Was suppose to be up and running by '05
but Katrina put a kink in the works as I am told...the hardware company
is in Alabama, so it has been delayed to sometime this year...we'll see.

 

[Andy Dingley]

My default is Flash off so the website would be dead in the water for me
UNLESS there was something in the front page that told me a little about the
site and gave me a reason to turn it on.

I have loads of bandwidth, but still have Flash turned off by default
(FF AniBlock extension) It's not the download time that bothers me,
it's the fact that Flash is all too often _detrimental_ to the quality
of the page -- it's simply running annoying animated ads in what could
easily be a simple page.

Here's one of the ugliest Flash-heavy sites I know
http://gamesradar.com

(I had _nothing_ to do with this generation of the site!)

 

[Chaddy2222]

Here is an example of a page that presentsa flash application. The
textual content of the pageis searchable by search engines asthe text
is in the source ofthe page butthe flash applicationis pulled in via an
iframe:

http://activepaper.olivesoftware.com/am.html

That form of navigation doesn't work on the web.....
Can I suggest that you get rid of the Iframe and you could quite easily
do a better job of that page useing plain HTML....
It would work better and at least you could re-size the text, if done
properly.