Please criticize my website.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

I think that there was someone suggesting that I could put the
[language] menu on the bottom of the page.

Look how simple and clean this page looks, including the code. Took me
15 minutes. Try it even with a narrow window.

http://k75s.home.att.net/luigi.html

Dang, I was possessed as well and found myself throwing together an
example page!

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/alt.html.051002.html

Nice, but alas, our samples will fall on deaf ears (eyes).

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

Read the code.

As I am very tired I am going to stop working now.
The homepage is far from being perfect at the moment but it is there.
I can work at it another time.

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

 

[Jake]

I know that my website
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com
is far from being perfect.
I have modified a few things since we talked about it a few months ago.
For example there are probably much less validation errors than there used
to be some months ago, I have begun to create subsubdirectories, I have
begun using
<?php include "menu-svenska.html"; ?> and the like to be able to save the
menu.
There are also some new pictures, the homepage has changed.
But there are probably many other things to improve.
Do you have any suggestions?
Thank you very much in advance and for any help which you gave me before in
this NG.

Hello, Luigi.

As people seem to be giving you a comprehensive review in the visual
medium, I thought I'd look at the audio component ;-)

On entering the site, I clicked on 'English' and was taken to the
introduction page:

http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/newg/LUIGI01X.JPG (94k)


Things to note:

(1) Good use of headings for navigation.

(2) The menus have no separators between the links, which means that
they are going to be read as a long sequence of words, rather than a
selection of individual entries. This doesn't make the entries
completely inaccessible (as they can be extracted from a 'list of
links') but would be much more accessible with separators -- or as
lists.

(3) Although I entered an 'English-version' page, I can still hear the
occasional incomprehensible words and phrases: Sok, Afterstall, etc.

I wouldn't expect to hear these.

(4) Where you have words or phrases in a language other than English,
you should mark them up with the appropriate 'lang' entry to ensure
those AT UAs that can do so, will speak them correctly.

(5) You have a sentence in German. Is it relevant? If so, what does it
mean?

(6) As others have pointed out, I'm not sure that many people would
appreciate the 'php version' or 'html' version .... and why they should
make a choice.

(7) I'm not sure what the 'Please choose you language' section is there
for, as I entered the page having selected 'English'.

(8) At some stage, you should get your text checked by a native English
speaker as the content, although comprehensible, contains phraseology
alien to English speakers ;-)

Let me know if you want me to look at the other pages.

Regards.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

Hello, Luigi.

As people seem to be giving you a comprehensive review in the visual
medium, I thought I'd look at the audio component ;-)

That was very interesting!

On entering the site, I clicked on 'English' and was taken to the
introduction page:

http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/newg/LUIGI01X.JPG (94k)


Things to note:

(1) Good use of headings for navigation.
Fine.

(2) The menus have no separators between the links,

What do you mean by "separators"?

which means that

they are going to be read as a long sequence of words, rather than a
selection of individual entries. This doesn't make the entries
completely inaccessible (as they can be extracted from a 'list of
links') but would be much more accessible with separators -- or as
lists.

I thought I had made unordered lists, actually.

(3) Although I entered an 'English-version' page, I can still hear the
occasional incomprehensible words and phrases: Sok, Afterstall, etc.
Ok.

I wouldn't expect to hear these.

You are right. I am going to correct this later.

(4) Where you have words or phrases in a language other than English,
you should mark them up with the appropriate 'lang' entry to ensure
those AT UAs that can do so, will speak them correctly.

(5) You have a sentence in German. Is it relevant? If so, what does it
mean?

Where? After which words in English?
You wrote an image file but it is not very easy for me to read it because
the text which is shown is little ( and I am tired too)

(6) As others have pointed out, I'm not sure that many people would
appreciate the 'php version' or 'html' version .... and why they should
make a choice.

This is a strategic choice due more to problems which have to do with the
construction of the website itself.
Some pages have only a version.

(7) I'm not sure what the 'Please choose you language' section is there
for, as I entered the page having selected 'English'.

That is because I do not know from which page the user is coming.
He may have found the english page first but be more fluent in another
language

(8) At some stage, you should get your text checked by a native English
speaker as the content, although comprehensible, contains phraseology
alien to English speakers ;-)

Some examples?
There may be cases where some specialistic words are known only to people
who are specifically interested in a certain sector....
Also, I only have a one-man business so I cannot afford spending much money
and I have to try to do myself as much as I can

Let me know if you want me to look at the other pages.

You may do it if you want to but please, take into account that most english
pages
are under construction.
There are much more pages in Swedish and Italian which are already
available.
--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

 

[Jake]

[Snip]

On entering the site, I clicked on 'English' and was taken to the
introduction page:

http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/newg/LUIGI01X.JPG (94k)


Things to note:

(1) Good use of headings for navigation.
Fine.

(2) The menus have no separators between the links,

What do you mean by "separators"?
Http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/sam82-0.htm


which means that

they are going to be read as a long sequence of words, rather than a
selection of individual entries. This doesn't make the entries
completely inaccessible (as they can be extracted from a 'list of
links') but would be much more accessible with separators -- or as
lists.

I thought I had made unordered lists, actually.

Example:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
<div class="subsection" id="interior-decoration-and-presents">

<h2>Interior decoration and presents</h2>

<a href="underconstruction">Swedish furniture</a>

<a href="underconstruction.html">Articles of glass</a>
<a href="underconstruction.html">Bracelets</a>
<a href="underconstruction.html">Necklaces</a>
</div>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------

No ....... no list here.

You are right. I am going to correct this later.


Should I use the <lang> attribute for that?
Yes.



Where? After which words in English?
You wrote an image file but it is not very easy for me to read it because
the text which is shown is little ( and I am tired too)
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/newg/GER01X.JPG

This is a strategic choice due more to problems which have to do with the
construction of the website itself.

The average visitor doesn't know, and doesn't care.

Some pages have only a version.


That is because I do not know from which page the user is coming.
He may have found the english page first but be more fluent in another
language

Then put the links into the page to ensure they're positioned
(logically) at the end of the page. I.e. They're the last things heard
-- so that they don't take away attention from the rest of the page.

Some examples?
There may be cases where some specialistic words are known only to people
who are specifically interested in a certain sector....
Also, I only have a one-man business so I cannot afford spending much money
and I have to try to do myself as much as I can



You may do it if you want to but please, take into account that most english
pages
are under construction.
There are much more pages in Swedish and Italian which are already
available.

BTW. There seem to be problems with the 'Search Engine' ... I'll have a
closer look.

Regards.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

In message <[email protected]>, Luigi Donatello
I know that my website
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com

[Snip]

On entering the site, I clicked on 'English' and was taken to the
introduction page:

http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/newg/LUIGI01X.JPG (94k)


Things to note:

(1) Good use of headings for navigation.
Fine.

(2) The menus have no separators between the links,

What do you mean by "separators"?
Http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/sam82-0.htm


which means that

they are going to be read as a long sequence of words, rather than a
selection of individual entries. This doesn't make the entries
completely inaccessible (as they can be extracted from a 'list of
links') but would be much more accessible with separators -- or as
lists.

I thought I had made unordered lists, actually.

Example:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
<div class="subsection" id="interior-decoration-and-presents">

<h2>Interior decoration and presents</h2>

<a href="underconstruction">Swedish furniture</a>

<a href="underconstruction.html">Articles of glass</a>
<a href="underconstruction.html">Bracelets</a>
<a href="underconstruction.html">Necklaces</a>
</div>

You are probably looking at another page.
On the page https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.php
I see a list.

[cut]

The average visitor doesn't know, and doesn't care.

He or she does not know that
but I do not think that it should be a major problem for the user.


[cut]

Then put the links into the page to ensure they're positioned
(logically) at the end of the page. I.e. They're the last things heard
-- so that they don't take away attention from the rest of the page.

If the user knows much better Swedish than English but she has still found
first this english page,
she would probably be glad to know that there is a Swedish version as well
as soon as possible and not after trying hard to understand the whole page,
wouldn´t she?

[cut]

BTW. There seem to be problems with the 'Search Engine' ... I'll have a
closer look.

Regards.

Ok.

Regards

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

 

[Jake]

"Jake" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
In message <[email protected]>, Luigi Donatello
I know that my website
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com [Snip]

(2) The menus have no separators between the links,

What do you mean by "separators"?
Http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/sam82-0.htm


which means that
they are going to be read as a long sequence of words, rather than a
selection of individual entries. This doesn't make the entries
completely inaccessible (as they can be extracted from a 'list of
links') but would be much more accessible with separators -- or as
lists.

I thought I had made unordered lists, actually.

Example:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
<div class="subsection" id="interior-decoration-and-presents">

<h2>Interior decoration and presents</h2>

<a href="underconstruction">Swedish furniture</a>

<a href="underconstruction.html">Articles of glass</a>
<a href="underconstruction.html">Bracelets</a>
<a href="underconstruction.html">Necklaces</a>
</div>

You are probably looking at another page.
On the page https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.php
I see a list.

If you select "English" from https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

this takes you to:
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html

note: welcome.html not welcome.php

The menu items are not in a list.

[cut]

The average visitor doesn't know, and doesn't care.

He or she does not know that
but I do not think that it should be a major problem for the user.

Then why put it there?

[cut]

Then put the links into the page to ensure they're positioned
(logically) at the end of the page. I.e. They're the last things heard
-- so that they don't take away attention from the rest of the page.

If the user knows much better Swedish than English but she has still found
first this english page,
she would probably be glad to know that there is a Swedish version as well
as soon as possible and not after trying hard to understand the whole page,
wouldn´t she?

What would a search engine give him/her if they entered their enquiry in
Swedish? A welcome page in Swedish or a welcome page in English?

Either way, it's in the wrong place.

[cut]

BTW. There seem to be problems with the 'Search Engine' ... I'll have a
closer look.

Just noticed .... if I use the search engine, the results come back with
the headings in .... Swedish:

Resultat av sökning
80 sidor innehåller translation.

Villkor: AND Bokstäver Insensitive

I wonder what a listener operating from an English-language page is
going to make of that?

Regards.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

In message <[email protected]>, Luigi Donatello

[cut]
If you select "English" from https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/index.php

this takes you to:
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html

note: welcome.html not welcome.php

The menu items are not in a list.

Ok. I have changed it.
Now the homepage takes you to welcome.php

[cut]

What would a search engine give him/her if they entered their enquiry in
Swedish? A welcome page in Swedish or a welcome page in English?

Either way, it's in the wrong place.

We do not know whether the user came from a search engine.
He or she might have come from a NG for example, as well.
Perhaps he or she has a friend who knew the English version.
Now, when the user is well on the english page but knows better another
language,
for example Swedish, he or she would probably appreciate to get informed
that there is an option, that is to choose the Swedish version before he or
she needs to read the whole page to get informed of that.

[cut]

BTW. There seem to be problems with the 'Search Engine' ... I'll have a
closer look.

Just noticed .... if I use the search engine, the results come back with
the headings in .... Swedish:

Resultat av sökning
80 sidor innehåller translation.

Villkor: AND Bokstäver Insensitive

I wonder what a listener operating from an English-language page is
going to make of that?

The search engine has been given to me by my web host. Therefore there is no
language option to select your language.
I might get in touch with them and ask how I could change it.

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/italien-valle-daosta/boende-i-bionaz.php

 

[dorayme]

Fine?

You have absolutely NO sense of design. (or web page construction)

And you're going to advertise the site in a newspaper? <ROF,L>

http://k75s.home.att.net/images/luigi3.jpg

Yep. Chortle, chortle...

Still, doing good work and making a lot of money are not the
same thing. Luigi might be picking up enough energy from this ng
to fire him up. I notice he keeps all this money to himself. Not
taking any advice is a boost to his business confidence, and
with that follows action and action often does result in enough
people handing over dough... It is not particularly rational or
even worthy but it is ... it is... what can I say? ...
energetic.

dorayme

 

[dorayme]

It is easier to understand what people think when you meet them in person,
I think and not while writing on internet....
This is also valid for the layout of a website...

How right you are Luigi! It is much easier to understand the
layout of a webpage when one meets it in person.

Have a nice day. Enjoy your freedom and keep away from Germany

dorayme

 

[dorayme]

On that page you do not have to see any map of Italy if you do not pay for
that. The text is still in Swedish, though.

And, of course, given that freedom is such a good thing, there
is nothing at all wrong with this being in Swedish in this
context.

dorayme

 

[dorayme]

I had thought of something like that but
1) it does not bring anything innovative
Links which are designed as books might be a bit innovative.

Why stop at the thought of books? What about making them look
like elephants or planes or flowers. Why restrict your freedom?

dorayme

(BTW, my doctor says you are good for me Luigi and that I have
to read at least a dozen of your posts every day. My blood
pressure has gone *down*, my cholesterol is lower, my mood is
happier... Is there any way I can send you a little money to
show my appreciation? I need a secure site to do this as I am
very nervous if there is any tiny chink in a websites'
armoury...)

 

[dorayme]

I have certainly slept little.
I worked almost the whole night with this homepage...

You work hard at it Luigi and it will be a site that suits and
fits you fine.

Like the man who went into a men's clothes shop for a suit. The
owner was a shonk and offloaded a terrible fitting suit (which
he had failed to sell to anyone else) onto this poor sucker.

"It is too wide in the shoulders" complained the man.

"No, no, look, just shake your shoulders this way and that and
it will give an appearance of being just rightly filled" said
the salesman.

"But it is too long in the leg!" complained the man.

"No, no, just stoop like this, that's right, see... it now
clears the shoes ok..." coaches the saleman. "And walk like
this..."

After further instruction and reminders of what a bargain the
suit is, the man purchases and walks out wearing it. He is
shuffling along, stooping and waggling his shoulders when,
across the street, two men notice him.

One says to the other, "My my, could that be our friend Mori
Finklestein?"

"Yes, I think it is! But he looks so old and sick! Look how he
is walking poor fellow!" says the other.

"Perhaps he has had a stroke or a knee replacement gone wrong, a
neck problem too? Poor poor fellow!"

"Ah yes, very sad", said the other, "but you have to admit, that
suit fits him so so very well!"

 

[dorayme]

Organization: LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
Newsgroups: alt.html
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:39:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Please criticize my website.: with screenshot


Dang, I was possessed as well and found myself throwing together an
example page!

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/alt.html.051002.html

I can hardly believe it! Luigi has managed to actually get a
half decent webpage design out of this ng, holus bolus. But he
will use his very important freedom not to use it at all...

(Nice work Jonathon. At least, much nicer. Yes, you are
possessed by our Italian Magician/wizard and you are unlikely to
be able to stop. Put your affairs in order, clear the decks,
ready yourself to a life of total bewitchment to a Swedish based
Italian business...

dorayme

 

[dorayme]

Newsgroups: alt.html
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:00:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Please criticize my website.

(5) You have a sentence in German. Is it relevant? If so, what does it
mean?

Perhaps you missed this bit of the saga, Jake. You see it is
like this. Luigi was beaten up badly soon as he walked into
Germany (see earlier posts). This has affected him more than is
evident on the surface. So it is no wonder that he will
occasionally babble in German in a context that seems
inappropriate. It is trauma. I think we need to be a little
sensitive here and pass over these things. It's ok, old chap, I
am sure you just missed the finer details of the history and
meant no callousness...


dorayme

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

Perhaps you missed this bit of the saga, Jake. You see it is
like this. Luigi was beaten up badly soon as he walked into
Germany (see earlier posts).

I had already been in Germany for a relatively long time and I know may
people there.
I also have friends in Germany. But, of course, I was not happy at all that
I was attacked.
And yes, I think that it was quite shocking.
It changed my "emotional" picture of that country which had been much more
positive before.
And I want to stress the word "emotional".
But that does not change the fact that there are nice people everywhere.


--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/italien-valle-daosta/boende-i-bionaz.php

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

How right you are Luigi! It is much easier to understand the
layout of a webpage when one meets it in person.

I was talking about people. I may meet people which have looked at my
website.

Have a nice day. Enjoy your freedom and keep away from Germany

Why are you talking so much about Germany just today?
I am wondering.
It did not seem to impress you before at all.
To clarify: I have met German people also after I had moved from Germany but
that I was attacked in Germany
was shocking. You might have no idea about how many times I had defended
German people when I was a child.
And, as a child, I had also played with German guys who were much older than
I was.

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/italien-valle-daosta/boende-i-bionaz.php

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

And, of course, given that freedom is such a good thing, there
is nothing at all wrong with this being in Swedish in this
context.

dorayme

Did I not already explain why?

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/italien-valle-daosta/boende-i-bionaz.php

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

Why stop at the thought of books? What about making them look
like elephants or planes or flowers. Why restrict your freedom?

You can open a book as you can open a website in order to get information.

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/italien-valle-daosta/boende-i-bionaz.php

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

[cut]
Yes, you are

possessed by our Italian Magician/wizard and you are unlikely to
be able to stop. [cut]

dorayme

What about you?.
Can you stop?
...

--
Luigi Donatello Asero
(sono italiano ma vivo in Svezia)
(Ñ Ð¸Ñ‚Ð°Ð»ÑŒÑнец но Ñ Ð¶Ð¸Ð²Ñƒ в Швеции )
(我是 æ„大利人 , 但是 我 ä½ åœ¨ ç‘žå…¸)
(minä olen Italian kansalainen, mutta minä asun Ruotsissa)
(yo soy italiano mas yo vivo en Suecia)
(je suis italien mais je habite a la Suede)
(ich bin Italiener aber ich lebe in Schweden)
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/italien-valle-daosta/boende-i-bionaz.php