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[Keith Thompson]

news:[email protected]... [snip]
I'd rather read anything Keith Thompson writes than anything Kenney McComack
writes - rationality takes precedence over the Celtic soul botherhood.

I appreciate the sentiment, but as you can see, replying to Kenny
McCormack (even to criticize him or correct his errors) merely feeds
the troll. Please ignore him. (A killfile is a good way to do this;
you won't miss anything.)

 

[Rod Pemberton]

I'd rather read anything Keith Thompson writes than anything Kenney McComack
writes - rationality takes precedence over the Celtic soul botherhood.

I disagree.

Here's my quick summary of the two:

Kenny McCormack
- 0% C related
- 97% humorous posts

Keith Thompson
- 50% C related
- 50% standard complaint posts

It's Keith's incessant standard complaint posts which irritate us.


Rod Pemberton

 

[Kenny McCormack]

news:[email protected]... [snip]
I'd rather read anything Keith Thompson writes than anything Kenney McComack
writes - rationality takes precedence over the Celtic soul botherhood.

I appreciate the sentiment, but as you can see, replying to Kenny
McCormack (even to criticize him or correct his errors) merely feeds
the troll. Please ignore him. (A killfile is a good way to do this;
you won't miss anything.)

You are so scared, aren't you?

 

[Kenny McCormack]

I disagree.

Here's my quick summary of the two:

Kenny McCormack
- 0% C related
- 97% humorous posts
Thanks!

Keith Thompson
- 50% C related
- 50% standard complaint posts

It's Keith's incessant standard complaint posts which irritate us.

Well said, sir.

Basically, everywhere else on the (Use)net, it is plainly understood
that "if you don't like it, ignore it, move on". That sort of sentiment
(basically, Libertarian) is a basic part of the hacker/geek mental make-up.
What continually amazes me about clc is how a bunch of religious zealots
managed to take over what should be a newsgroup dominated by and run by
hacker/geeks.

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip ...

Here's my quick summary of the two:

Kenny McCormack
- 0% C related
- 97% humorous posts

Keith Thompson
- 50% C related
- 50% standard complaint posts

It's Keith's incessant standard complaint posts which irritate us.

No, it's your off-topic meanderings that irritate.

 

[Rod Pemberton]

No, it's your off-topic meanderings that irritate.

As does your incessant links to your poorly written code that no one uses.


Rod Pemberton

 

[Kenny McCormack]

No, it's your off-topic meanderings that irritate.

I don't think you can make that work. It has to be couched in terms of
"protecting the innocents". I.e., the standard position of the regs of
this ng (as it is of religious zealots everywhere) has to be: We
are immune from the trolls (we can just ignore them), but we have to
post our incessant "Do not feed the troll" messages in order to
alert/inform/protect the newbies who might not know better.

You cannot show your weakness as you have done.

P.S. Rod, what about the other 3% of my posts? What are they?

 

[Old Wolf]

You'd have to take that up with McCormack. FYI, you shouln't take it
personally. This is a _recurring_ argument between McCormack and Heathfield

Actually, most people seem to agree that McCormack is
a knob, and ignore him rather than filling the NG with bumf.

Heathfield only replied to McCormack on this occasion
because a poster apparently took McCormack seriously,
so Heathfield assured the poster that McCormack was not
a typical representative of this NG.

IMHO, McCormack is sour because he perceives a clique
and considers that he has not been accepted by it, so he
is throwing his toys out of the cot. How's that for pop
psychology?

In fact, McCormack accusation of "Aspergers" appears to
revolve around the fact that he considers it rude to redirect
people to a more appropriate NG. One symptom of Aspergers
is failure to realize that a particular action is considered rude
by most people. Since the regulars do not consider the
redirect to be rude, they "obviously" are suffering from this
mental disorder. I think McCormack missed the bus to Logic 101.

As I stated to Healthfield, I think it's important that people
learn about Aspergers. And, there are some people here
who need to read it.

You don't seem to realise how insulting this is. It's about
on the same level as asking a black man if he needs help
with his congenital laziness.

 

[Kenny McCormack]

Actually, most people seem to agree that McCormack is
a knob, and ignore him rather than filling the NG with bumf.

Oh, the irony...

Heathfield only replied to McCormack on this occasion
because a poster apparently took McCormack seriously,
so Heathfield assured the poster that McCormack was not
a typical representative of this NG.

There it is again - as I explained to falconer, you do always have to
couch it in terms of "protecting the innocents".

IMHO, McCormack is sour because he perceives a clique
and considers that he has not been accepted by it, so he
is throwing his toys out of the cot. How's that for pop
psychology?

Worth every penny we paid for it.

One symptom of Aspergers is failure to realize that a particular action
is considered rude by most people. Since the regulars do not consider
the redirect to be rude, ...

I believe all I need add is: QED

You don't seem to realise how insulting this is.

The notion that it is an insult exists only in heathfield's demented
mind.

It's about on the same level as asking a black man if he needs help
with his congenital laziness.

I'm sure you speak from experience.

 

[Richard Bos]

I disagree.
Surprise.

Here's my quick summary of the two:

Kenny McCormack
- 0% C related
- 97% humorous posts

If you think that's humourous, perhaps it's time for you to advance to a
more grown-up kind of humour. I suggest Borat as the obvious next step
to adulthood.

Keith Thompson
- 50% C related
- 50% standard complaint posts

It's Keith's incessant standard complaint posts which irritate us.

And yet they serve a purpose.

Richard

 

[Rod Pemberton]

IMHO, McCormack is sour because he perceives a clique
and considers that he has not been accepted by it, so he
is throwing his toys out of the cot. How's that for pop
psychology?

Pretty poor. I perceive a clique, too. I don't care at all whether or not
I'm accepted by it. But, I would like to see an end to it because it
alienates a large number of people who have valid C questions. The
"regulars" frequently and unjustly attack these people with intensely rude
and angry responses.

You don't seem to realise how insulting this is. It's about
on the same level as asking a black man if he needs help
with his congenital laziness.

You apparently didn't read the majority of my posts on this topic. I'd
suggest you do so prior to commenting.

As I stated previously to Healthfield,

RP> I'm trying to get you to realize that potentially helping one
RP> individual through his or her own self-diagnose of mental illness,
RP> correct or not, by reading about Asperger's is important. I would
RP> think that given that you actually know someone with Aspergers,
RP> that it'd be especially important to you to have the whole World
RP> read up on it. Why do you seem so cold or indifferent?

Heathfield, who claimed to actually know "a friend's" child with Aspergers,
seems intent on burying all conversion related to Asperger's instead of
educating people about the illness. That's not characteristic of an
individual in a position to help someone in need. That's the characteristic
of someone trying to hide or bury the truth. (How's that for "pop"
psychology?)


Rod Pemberton

 

[Keith Thompson]

Heathfield, who claimed to actually know "a friend's" child with Aspergers,
seems intent on burying all conversion related to Asperger's instead of
educating people about the illness.

If you want to talk about Asperger's, talk about it someplace where
it's topical. If you actually care about it, and you want to educate
people about it or be educated yourself, I encourage you to do so.

This is comp.lang.c. It exists for the purpose of discussing the C
programming language.

Do you understand why we have separate newsgroups for distinct topics,
rather than one huge "misc.misc"? Or do you think comp.lang.c should
be buried in lengthy discussions of every topic that *you* happen to
think is important?

 

[Rod Pemberton]

This is comp.lang.c. It exists for the purpose of discussing the C
programming language.

NO! It is an unmoderated newsgroup where anything anyone posts is topical
whether or not it happens to be on C. Take it to a moderated newsgroup if
you _only_ _want_ discussions about C.

Do you understand why we have separate newsgroups for distinct topics,
rather than one huge "misc.misc"? Or do you think comp.lang.c should
be buried in lengthy discussions of every topic that *you* happen to
think is important?

Do you understand the difference between a moderated and unmoderated
newsgroup? (No.)

Have you begun to understand no one wants to hear your complaints such as
this one? (No.)


Rod Pemberton

 

[J. J. Farrell]

NO! It is an unmoderated newsgroup where anything anyone posts is topical
whether or not it happens to be on C. Take it to a moderated newsgroup if
you _only_ _want_ discussions about C.

Don't be ridiculous.

Do you understand the difference between a moderated and unmoderated
newsgroup? (No.)
Yes.

Have you begun to understand no one wants to hear your complaints such as
this one? (No.)

There probably are some people who want to hear them. I don't, and I
find it a nuisance that people persist deliberately in making them
necessary. I guess that for as long as they're necessary I'll have to
put up with them.

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip ...

NO! It is an unmoderated newsgroup where anything anyone posts
is topical whether or not it happens to be on C. Take it to a
moderated newsgroup if you _only_ _want_ discussions about C.

Back in the sinbin you go.

--
Some informative links:
< <http://www.geocities.com/nnqweb/>
<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>

 

[Keith Thompson]

NO! It is an unmoderated newsgroup where anything anyone posts is topical
whether or not it happens to be on C. Take it to a moderated newsgroup if
you _only_ _want_ discussions about C.


Do you understand the difference between a moderated and unmoderated
newsgroup? (No.)

Have you begun to understand no one wants to hear your complaints such as
this one? (No.)

I see that you've decided to be a full-fledged troll. So be it.
I don't use a killfile, but consider this a virtual plonk.

 

[Rod Pemberton]

Don't be ridiculous.

I'm __100%__ serious. If you aren't interested or have a low tolerance to
unmoderated conversation, you're the problem. Ignore it, or go somewhere
else.

Yes.

If so, then you'd have known I was serious.

There probably are some people who want to hear them. I don't, and I
find it a nuisance that people persist deliberately in making them
necessary. I guess that for as long as they're necessary I'll have to
put up with them.

If that's true, why are whining _exclusively_ to me...?


Rod Pemberton

 

[Richard Heathfield]

Rod Pemberton said:

As I stated previously to Healthfield,

There's that typo again. The one we both know only ever happened once.

Heathfield, who claimed to actually know "a friend's" child with
Aspergers,
"Claimed"?

seems intent on burying all conversion related to Asperger's

No, I'm not intent on burying /any/ conversions. But if you want to talk
about psychiatry, there are newsgroups for that. This ain't one of them.

I've tried hard not to think of you as a troll, but it's getting more
difficult day by day.

 

[J. J. Farrell]

I'm __100%__ serious. If you aren't interested or have a low tolerance to
unmoderated conversation, you're the problem. Ignore it, or go somewhere
else.

I didn't comment on whether or not you were serious; though if you were
you must have either an extreme lack of understanding of social
discussion in general and Usenet in particular, or be trolling.

If so, then you'd have known I was serious.

It has no bearing on whether or not you were serious, but it does on
whether or not you were ridiculous. If the difference between moderated
and unmoderated newsgroups were related to your comment above, then
there would be exactly one unmoderated newsgroup.

If that's true, why are whining _exclusively_ to me...?

Don't take it personally - I said "people" not "you". You just happen
to be the poster of the message I replied to, as someone has to be. I
try to resist getting involved in these discussions as there are far
too many of them; but some ideas need challenging. It also does no harm
to point out occasionally that there are others here who prefer the
group to stay on-topic. We don't join in the attempts to keep things on
topic since we know others will do so, and more doing so would only
make matters worse.

 

[Charlton Wilbur]

NO! It is an unmoderated newsgroup where anything anyone posts is topical
whether or not it happens to be on C. Take it to a moderated newsgroup if
you _only_ _want_ discussions about C.

Then by that logic, everything that anyone posts -- including
admonitions that this is a newsgroup about C, and that better help for
platform-specific problems is available in other newsgroups -- is
appropriate as well. If you really believe what you've claimed above,
where do you get off complaining about what other people post?

I'm in comp.lang.c because I want informed discussions about C, not
amateur psychoanalyis of other posters or endless discussions about
the minutiae of operating systems and compilers I don't use.

Charlton