A challenge to all MVP's.......GET A J.O.B. for once in your life

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Alvin Bruney [MVP - ASP.NET]

yup, a hopeful candidate was spurned. that can create all kinds of problems

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Regards,
Alvin Bruney - ASP.NET MVP

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Steve C. Orr [MVP, MCSD]

I'd just like to thank lwti, whoever he is.
If it wasn't for his post I wouldn't have been flattered by the dozens of
responses praising MVPs like me.
 
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Guest

Grow up. I'm 15, I cant count the number of times that I've given a lecture
on .net that a MVP has helped me out, or when I organize a event at my high
school sponsored by Microsoft. All of the Microsoft MVP's I know are great
people with great JOBS. Thank you MVP's!
 
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Guest

I am not an MVP nor do I think any group has all the answers. I believe the
one who started this discussion has some real issues with their own code and
is looking to push the blame on some one else. If you don't have something
positive to say then why speak it. There is no problem with what ths person
said if he or she has presents a possible solution to the problem. But they
don't. Nothing good can come from this and I wonder if this person is really
a microsoft someon that utilizes this product on consistent basis.
 
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Guest

Not to keep kicking the dead and decaying horse, but i'm gona.

First, lwti is obviously very immature. He probably took an MVP's advice
without investigating if it was good advice, and got ripped because of it.
And now he is just whining about it.

I also want to state an observation. An MVP is just a title. Just like
MCAD and MCSD. It doesnt mean that your an expert at anything. Anyone can
get a title if they try hard enough, but that doesnt make them an expert. So
your first mistake is thinking an MVP is an expert. They are just people
that help the community more than others.

In my experience, I've worked with 5 different MVPs who were horible
enterprise application developers. They knew lots of little facts. They
knew all the stock microsoft answers to programming questions (which usually
means its slow, and a memory hog). But when it came down to creating
something stable, scalable, maintainable, and FAST none of the got the job
done and were replaced (they were all consultants). i've also read books and
blogs from some MVP's who had the stuff together and could code.

My job is a software performance engineer, which means i spend a LOT of time
looking through Reflector trying to figure out how stuff works and how to
make them faster. And i see many posts by MVPs who state just plain wrong
information, or give bad advice. But they are just trying to help, which is
why they are MVPs.

The point is, just because you get advice form someone with a title doesnt
mean you should take that advice and use it without "thinking" about it
first. Does it fit the problem? Is it correct? Did I test it out first?
Is it scalable? These questions, among many others, have to be answered if
you are going to utilize anything ypu pull from the internet into production
code.
 
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William \(Bill\) Vaughn

Okay, since you brought it up, I wonder if you (John) or anyone out there
would be so kind as to tell us MVPs (and the other members of this list when
we give the wrong bit of information and how it's wrong. Every MVP worth his
or her salt is open for IO (input as well as output). I for one have been
corrected any number of times in the last 30 some-odd years and I
(generally) appreciate it. If we can't learn from our mistakes... I just
hope it's my books that have helped.

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Author, Mentor, Consultant
Microsoft MVP
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Kevin Spencer

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

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;-),

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
 
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Guest

Hey Bill,
I do actually. And not just for MVPs, but anyone posting bad info, i'll
post a non-inflamitory response giving the 'correct' answer and why i think
its correct. as far as in person with the guys i've worked with, i only
found one that didnt have an ego so big that he would actually listen. one
guy even told me to get my MVP, and when i did, he'd listen to me. I have to
admit. that ticked me off a bit :)

I'm not trying to flame MVPs like the hoser that started all this, i just
want people to know that MVPs are just like everyone else. they make
mistakes...and dont hold them on such a high pedistel.
 
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William \(Bill\) Vaughn

I would love to know who told you to become an MVP before he would talk to
you.
Yup...I'm filled in (for the most part) on data stuff, but when I get off
the boards over the swamp, I get in over my head pretty quickly. Nobody (not
even the other Bill) can be expected to know everything about everything.

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____________________________________
William (Bill) Vaughn
Author, Mentor, Consultant
Microsoft MVP
www.betav.com/blog/billva
www.betav.com
www.sqlreportingservices.net
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
__________________________________
 
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Guest

Blah, Blah, Blah......If you feel that way why do you come here in the first
place? Talk of incompetence, you should look at the mirror budddy....You
represent stupidity at its highest level if there is in deed such a thing. So
what I sugest is go back to the cave and start programming Office 95 moron
 
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Kevin Spencer

You misspelled "pedestal."

--
;-),

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
 
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Kevin Spencer

I didn't even know there was an "Office 95 moron" edition! Well, as my pappy
always used to say, "you learn something new every day."

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HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
 
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Guest

Certanly it would be better that people with real life stress and experience
show some contributions to the forums, but all of them are bussy doing their
jobs, so this contributions are better than nohing, isnt' it ?

Do not fight, it is not productive, get the best from each side and go on
with your life...
 

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