Confused about RSS 0.9x/1.0/2.0 or Atom

luc wastiaux

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Hello,
I have a website with image galleries and users can post comments for the pictures. I want to make the comments available over an RSS-type feed so that I can check what comments have been posted. I would like to include a thumbnail of the picture being commented in the feed data. What feed type should I choose ? RSS 0.9x, 1.0, 2.0 or Atom ?

thanks.
 

Martin Honnen

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luc wastiaux wrote:

I have a website with image galleries and users can post comments for the pictures. I want to make the comments available over an RSS-type feed so that I can check what comments have been posted. I would like to include a thumbnail of the picture being commented in the feed data. What feed type should I choose ? RSS 0.9x, 1.0, 2.0 or Atom ?

I am not familiar enough with the different RSS versions to give advice but at http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/04/XMLFiles/ there is an article outlining some of the differences and pointing to further resources defining the different versions so maybe it can help you as a starting point.
 

luc wastiaux

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Martin said:
luc wastiaux wrote:

I am not familiar enough with the different RSS versions to give advice but at http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/04/XMLFiles/ there is an article outlining some of the differences and pointing to further resources defining the different versions so maybe it can help you as a starting point.

Thanks, that's the best article I have read on the issue so far.
 

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What feed type should I choose ? RSS 0.9x, 1.0, 2.0 or Atom ?

RSS 1.0 - definitely.

The Aaron Skonnard MSDN article is OK as far as it goes, but it's too brief to really explain the benefits.

RSS 1.0 is the superior protocol in all ways. It has two main advantages, the use of RDF, and the fact that Userland still can't write a decent spec. The RSS 0.92 was infamously inconsistent on issues such as content encoding, and these grey areas still haven't been solved in 2.0. In practice this leads to a mess of tag soup (or more strictly entity soup) and all sorts of problems when you first encounter an accented character or a Euro symbol in a feed. In the absence of a clear spec, it's hard to resolve such problems.

RSS 1.0's only disadvantage over the "simple" XML feeds is one extra level of indirection from the list of items to the items themselves. In almost all cases, this is a simple lookup within the feed document itself - something that's trivial with even the simplest of XSLT. So don't be _afraid_ of RDF. Although RDF can be used in a complex manner, the way it's used in a simple RSS feed is no problem at all.

For a simple "newsfeed", then 0.92 does everything you need. However we often want more than this, and that's where RDF shows its worth. With 1.0 then it's easy to add extra modules. For your image gallery application, Dublin Core is ideal and will do almost all you might require. Using RDF as the underlying framework for RSS 1.0 makes little difference unless you want it to, but it does open up a processing model for extensible sets of properties that's just not possible with XML alone.

RDF also has excellent documentation at the W3C site - at least since February 2004. If you were put off in the past by the frightening docs in '99, then take another look.

The reason why 1.0 is so much better is because of this modularity.
1.0 is smaller than the others, yet more capable. 2.0 has now collected some of 1.0's metadata features, but only by adding them to the core element set, in a manner that's RSS specific. With 0.92,
0.93, 0.94... this was getting ridiculous, as every new version added another element from DC, generating a new RSS version that still wasn't as capable as 1.0

Metadata is a communication problem, not a publishing problem. There's no point in putting the stuff out unless the destination can read and understand it. It's crucial to use popular open standards like DC for this - it makes your feeds readable, and it makes them easily transcodable into other non-RSS roles, such as integrating with an image library.

One caveat with RSS 1.0 is to be careful with use of the content module. Although it works and is useful, many RSS readers are still based on 0.9* code with extensions for new properties. They may fail to understand content encoded through the content module (try reading the two versions of the Belle de Jour weblog, syndicated onto LiveJournal)

Echo (aka Atom) is the idea that the solution to too many personal pissing contests is to start yet another one.
 

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