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You folks mean to tell me there's no program out there that would take a
file of simple text and blatherise it to the level of another "reference"
file? Or Adjust the "Fog Index" of a text file up or down from its input
level. I'm totally serious. I'm tired of fighting. I just want to "get
along".
I have one idea: you score each verb and noun on, say, five, different
scales, then you pile on similarly ranked adverbs and adjectives until you
meet the volume requirement. Or you remove accordingly. In MS-Word type
environments, you score less necessary modifiers, say , with orange-colored
undersquiggles, the less necessary, the more undersquiggles.
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I'm sure I've seen programs that generate blather but now I can't find
one. I'm stuck in a wierd situation that comes up often enough: Some
third-worlders insist you write pretentious casuistry when a few simple words
are enough. It is sad in these day of "Fog Index" that we have people who are
commitedly ideological and even theologically dogmatic about making prose
incomprehensibly obfuscated and complicated. I want it in perl so it can be
extremely portable.
However, I want something I can control. For example, when it sees the
word "customer" or "strategy" it should randomly chose one of three flowing
phrases. I can write a simple one-to-one in sed, but I really hope some
ingenious soul has already compiled a blatherisation table that I only need
to tweak. The issue is the text should require no more than, say, ten
percent editing to make it seem like it came from a genuinely glib
casuistrous bullshit artist.
I wouldn't mind if the program is ingenious enough to go both ways, or
even to be adjustable (ie, "please set the fog index"). I am confronted with
enough blathermaniacs and antiblathermaniacs to make my life way too
complicated. By the time I get used to one lunatic, I have to instead conform
to the other.
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I think you could broadly generalise the most common writing styles are:
1. Cryptic misappropriated connotation (demanded by "scholars")
2. Telegraphic commercial (Taught by "Communications" programs)
3. Latinate bureaucratic (demanded by 3rd world bureaucrats)
4. Literary Synonymania (demanded by "English" professors/teachers)
And these variances seem to be used to discriminate and segregate
dogmatically and unfairly. "Can't we just all get along?"
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
I went hunting on google for "chatterbot perl knowledge base". I "knew"
Hugh Kenner back on BiX ca 1988. Foggy is a riot, but not what I needed,
though I think sometime it may prove valuable when frustration with fools
triggers my evil streak. I need foggy with a twist - a knowledge base I can
tweak like foggy, but it should take a simple paragraph and turn it into a
long blatherous paper that I can then spend a few minutes editing and it will
say pretty much the same thing as my simple paragraph. For example I write
"The customer is a petunia" and it writes "Our customers are very important
to us. One of our multifarous customers has proven to be a
petunia. Wheretofore and heretofore, this important, vaulable and significant
datum will be assessed strategically and applied to our models wherefrom we
shall therefore optimise our tactics, strategy and operations so that we
fully capture the economic benefits derivable from this customer." One form
would work with a knowledge base where it is triggered by words like customer
and petunia into random but reasonably meaningful ramblings. The other would
be even better if it took a file with writing similar to the target and
transformed the source using the target as a model (for style and size). I
would really wish this was in perl so I could use it on the fly anywhere!
nyc.transit Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:19:28 +0000 (UTC)
You remind me of how my folks got mistreated. They spoke with a heavy
accent but at the university level. A lot of academics would love to
converse endlessly with their precise and inquiring minds. Some "customer
service" types would just hang up the phone when they heard the accent. One
of my English teachers couldn't get over it how my folks had the nerve to
correct her spelling.
I was born here and once I had a boss say that the reason I disgreed on
policy issues was I needed to improve my writing since I was Greek and sent
me to a writing class (she was Cuban and spoke with an accent, but I don't
have an accent). Once someone asked me "You speak English so well, when did
you come here" I looked at my watch and said "Oh, about 120 yrs ago."
(Technically true, though my stowaway ancestors got sent back a month later)
I once went to speak to a dean about something and he mentioned the essence
of the conversation to a reporter and I saw in print that he described me as
a foreign student (he, too, had an accent and was foreign born). When a
previous president of my alma mater was introduced to alums, he saw my name
badge and said "Ohhhh, Greek" shaking his head knowingly as I was seriously
thinking of swatting him on the head like a fly.
- = -
Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]
file of simple text and blatherise it to the level of another "reference"
file? Or Adjust the "Fog Index" of a text file up or down from its input
level. I'm totally serious. I'm tired of fighting. I just want to "get
along".
I have one idea: you score each verb and noun on, say, five, different
scales, then you pile on similarly ranked adverbs and adjectives until you
meet the volume requirement. Or you remove accordingly. In MS-Word type
environments, you score less necessary modifiers, say , with orange-colored
undersquiggles, the less necessary, the more undersquiggles.
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
I'm sure I've seen programs that generate blather but now I can't find
one. I'm stuck in a wierd situation that comes up often enough: Some
third-worlders insist you write pretentious casuistry when a few simple words
are enough. It is sad in these day of "Fog Index" that we have people who are
commitedly ideological and even theologically dogmatic about making prose
incomprehensibly obfuscated and complicated. I want it in perl so it can be
extremely portable.
However, I want something I can control. For example, when it sees the
word "customer" or "strategy" it should randomly chose one of three flowing
phrases. I can write a simple one-to-one in sed, but I really hope some
ingenious soul has already compiled a blatherisation table that I only need
to tweak. The issue is the text should require no more than, say, ten
percent editing to make it seem like it came from a genuinely glib
casuistrous bullshit artist.
I wouldn't mind if the program is ingenious enough to go both ways, or
even to be adjustable (ie, "please set the fog index"). I am confronted with
enough blathermaniacs and antiblathermaniacs to make my life way too
complicated. By the time I get used to one lunatic, I have to instead conform
to the other.
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
I think you could broadly generalise the most common writing styles are:
1. Cryptic misappropriated connotation (demanded by "scholars")
2. Telegraphic commercial (Taught by "Communications" programs)
3. Latinate bureaucratic (demanded by 3rd world bureaucrats)
4. Literary Synonymania (demanded by "English" professors/teachers)
And these variances seem to be used to discriminate and segregate
dogmatically and unfairly. "Can't we just all get along?"
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
I went hunting on google for "chatterbot perl knowledge base". I "knew"
Hugh Kenner back on BiX ca 1988. Foggy is a riot, but not what I needed,
though I think sometime it may prove valuable when frustration with fools
triggers my evil streak. I need foggy with a twist - a knowledge base I can
tweak like foggy, but it should take a simple paragraph and turn it into a
long blatherous paper that I can then spend a few minutes editing and it will
say pretty much the same thing as my simple paragraph. For example I write
"The customer is a petunia" and it writes "Our customers are very important
to us. One of our multifarous customers has proven to be a
petunia. Wheretofore and heretofore, this important, vaulable and significant
datum will be assessed strategically and applied to our models wherefrom we
shall therefore optimise our tactics, strategy and operations so that we
fully capture the economic benefits derivable from this customer." One form
would work with a knowledge base where it is triggered by words like customer
and petunia into random but reasonably meaningful ramblings. The other would
be even better if it took a file with writing similar to the target and
transformed the source using the target as a model (for style and size). I
would really wish this was in perl so I could use it on the fly anywhere!
nyc.transit Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:19:28 +0000 (UTC)
You remind me of how my folks got mistreated. They spoke with a heavy
accent but at the university level. A lot of academics would love to
converse endlessly with their precise and inquiring minds. Some "customer
service" types would just hang up the phone when they heard the accent. One
of my English teachers couldn't get over it how my folks had the nerve to
correct her spelling.
I was born here and once I had a boss say that the reason I disgreed on
policy issues was I needed to improve my writing since I was Greek and sent
me to a writing class (she was Cuban and spoke with an accent, but I don't
have an accent). Once someone asked me "You speak English so well, when did
you come here" I looked at my watch and said "Oh, about 120 yrs ago."
(Technically true, though my stowaway ancestors got sent back a month later)
I once went to speak to a dean about something and he mentioned the essence
of the conversation to a reporter and I saw in print that he described me as
a foreign student (he, too, had an accent and was foreign born). When a
previous president of my alma mater was introduced to alums, he saw my name
badge and said "Ohhhh, Greek" shaking his head knowingly as I was seriously
thinking of swatting him on the head like a fly.
- = -
Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]