browser & dispalying of "frames"

[Mark Parnell]

I like the way an end-user can operate with frames - I just like it,

As I said before, is that what you *users* want? If the site is only for
yourself, then fine - do whatever you want - but if it is for others as
well, you need to consider what they want, not just what you want.

I also want to make it right, or as best I can, as far as search engines &
such.

I did start writing an article on how to do frames properly if you are
going to do them at all. Will have to drag it out and do some more work
on it at some point.

[new windows]

Well no, not confusing.

I said annoying, not confusing, but anyway... ;-)
Many users *do* find it confusing when a site opens a new window. If
you're the only one going to be using a site, then it isn't an issue.

BTW, maybe someone posted it, but so far no one has told me how to code a
link-launch to open a new IE window instead of using the same window... (??)

If someone wanted to hang themself, would you show them how to tie the
rope?

 

[Mark Parnell]

My left frame menu
stays put as the text frame is capable of scrolling down. Can I use CCS to
accomplish the same thing?

CSS? Yes. Look into the overflow property.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visufx.html#overflow-clipping

 

[Mark Parnell]

I am trying to get to the point to join your little "club" here. Why not
explain why you find it "always amusing".

Because it demonstrates the fact that the author doesn't understand the

Doesn't it help a google searcher not go to that URL, as it should?

Exactly. Someone searches for "D's super whiz-bang game" in Google, just
sees "This site requires frames" in the results, so doesn't go to your
site. Is that what you really want?

I mean
really, my modest website would not be of any use at all to anyone who wasn't
on a regular computer anyway.

That's not the point. If the only text in the search results under your
page is "This site requires frames", who is going to bother following
the link? Whether their browser supports frames or not doesn't matter.
Google doesn't.

 

[...D.]

Because it demonstrates the fact that the author doesn't understand the
point of the <noframes> element.

Well now, no thanks to you guys of course, except that I looked into it
further "away" from Usenet, I have researched it & increased my knowledge
somewhat. But guess what? At my level of coding experience with HTML, I am
not about to embark on another coding language trip.

What I have is have downloaded several templates. I have chosen one, and it
has frames. If I could get hold of a free template that had CCS coding that
accomplished the same thing, I'd be there. & mess with it. However I don't
know if I'd be able to manipulate it.

I now understand, thanks to a couple of mentions at a website newsgroup (maybe
mentioned here by someone) that I need to have an "out" for anyone who could
somehow land in a frame. OK . Done. I'll have a link that will launch my
website from any frame.

& no thanks to anyone here who didn't want to waste their fingers on the
keyboard, I have discovered out how to have a new link open up a new browser
window & thus leave the frames behind in a previous window. Or I can now have
it use the same window but leave the website & open up a full screen window at
the new link (recall I was linking out of a frame & the frame stayed in place
- no good).

& the "noframes' thing, well I'll put up a basic message "sorry bla bla bla"
but also a links table that I am using right now at my basic one frame
website.so they'll have something to click. Though can't believe anyone still
runs a browser that couldn't use frames except non-computer users, which I
don't care about. But I don't know - what browsers do not support frames..?

Sure I will eventually graduate from HTML school & move onto something like
CCS. But right now it's gonna be frames. I've only been doing HTML for a few
weeks.

That's not the point. If the only text in the search results under your
page is "This site requires frames", who is going to bother following
the link? Whether their browser supports frames or not doesn't matter.
Google doesn't.

What am I missing here? I am not worried about.... OK, but why would a
search engine like Google's bots decide on what is way down at the bottom
under the "noframes" clause to use that as content for a link? What does
Google's bots look for & post? I notice one of my pages that just links a
couple of games settings pages got posted. I did not put any META tags in it.
- how does Google use meta tags? Does Google go for a title? Or look for an
<h1> or <H2> line over plain ol' text?

....D.

 

[SpaceGirl]

....D. wrote:

Well now, no thanks to you guys of course, except that I looked into it
further "away" from Usenet, I have researched it & increased my knowledge
somewhat. But guess what? At my level of coding experience with HTML, I am
not about to embark on another coding language trip.

What I have is have downloaded several templates. I have chosen one, and it
has frames. If I could get hold of a free template that had CCS coding that
accomplished the same thing, I'd be there. & mess with it. However I don't
know if I'd be able to manipulate it.

I now understand, thanks to a couple of mentions at a website newsgroup (maybe
mentioned here by someone) that I need to have an "out" for anyone who could
somehow land in a frame. OK . Done. I'll have a link that will launch my
website from any frame.

& no thanks to anyone here who didn't want to waste their fingers on the
keyboard, I have discovered out how to have a new link open up a new browser
window & thus leave the frames behind in a previous window. Or I can now have
it use the same window but leave the website & open up a full screen window at
the new link (recall I was linking out of a frame & the frame stayed in place
- no good).

& the "noframes' thing, well I'll put up a basic message "sorry bla bla bla"
but also a links table that I am using right now at my basic one frame
website.so they'll have something to click. Though can't believe anyone still
runs a browser that couldn't use frames except non-computer users, which I
don't care about. But I don't know - what browsers do not support frames..?

Sure I will eventually graduate from HTML school & move onto something like
CCS. But right now it's gonna be frames. I've only been doing HTML for a few
weeks.




What am I missing here? I am not worried about.... OK, but why would a
search engine like Google's bots decide on what is way down at the bottom
under the "noframes" clause to use that as content for a link? What does
Google's bots look for & post? I notice one of my pages that just links a
couple of games settings pages got posted. I did not put any META tags in it.
- how does Google use meta tags? Does Google go for a title? Or look for an
<h1> or <H2> line over plain ol' text?

...D.

You seem to be under the impression that people are here just to help
you? If you'd done a little basic investigation yourself to start off
with, you'd have saved yourself a lot of time, and not wasted everyone
elses.

*yawn at the ungreatful n00b*

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