newsgroup conflict?

[Kelsey Bjarnason]

And you have to ask yourself this. Suppose we grant what the topicality
police say - that it is all the trolls fault. Obviously, this is silly
and we don't grant it, but suppose we did.

Then you have to ask: Why is this group so susceptible to being trolled?

You'll have to ask the spoilt children doing it why they do it. Don't
expect a sensible answer, however. Meantime, the folks actually trying
to do something about it keep getting crapped on for trying to do
something about it, not only by the trolls, but a handful of other spoilt
children.

I do wish these people would grow up.

 

[Kelsey Bjarnason]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:04:32 +0000, Kenny McCormack wrote:

Oh, I might have neglected to mention, in the previous post: since you
*are* one of those spoilt children, *plonk*.

 

[Kenny McCormack]

You may want to bear in mind that "Keith Tompson" is highly partisan in
the "conflict" you mention.

Why not think for yourself? Browse some of the posts by Heathfield and
by Han and decide for yourself which of them produces more helpful
contributions, rather than accepting Keith's polemic at face value?

I think it is pretty clear by now that "Zach" is a sock-puppet
(of one of the core regs).

 

[Default User]

If you've got fifteen bucks to spend, you can get an nsp that filters
out spam. news.individual.net made clc readable for me.

I can vouch for NIN as well. It's a bit of a hassle getting set up to
pay the first time, as the server is in Germany and they use a third
party for foreign payments.




Brian

 

[Default User]

Zach wrote:

Ah I see. I have no problems with your posts Richard. I would like to
get a copy of your book but it seems to be out of print. Any ideas?

<http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=heathfield&sts=t&tn=un
leashed&x=0&y=0>




Brian

 

[Keith Thompson]

Some free news servers. I use motzarella and gmane. [...]
<http://www.individual.net/ (low pay)

Sure this isn't news.individual.net ?

Pointing your web browser at http://www.individual.net/ would have
answered this question for you.

[...]

 

[Keith Thompson]

No, you're genuinely stupid. If you were genuinely curious, you'd do
your own research.

[...]

And you're genuinely thoughtless and rude.

 

[Richard]

You see posts from Han from China and Richard Heathfield. That means,
to some point, your client works. Here's the story: Han from China is
some idiot who thought that spending some time to recall discussions
would turn him into a "master troll". Be aware of him because if you

But who posts a lot more factually correct C than you.

piss him off he'll threaten to release your book in PDF format on
rapidshare, megaupload _AND_ P2P!


"Yes, they could". Is that the answer you were seeking?

Who the hell do you think you are?

People who seek help from a newsgroup are likely either to search it,
which means they won't see off-topic posts (with effective searches)
OR they'll make their own thread. They won't start reading all the
messages posted in hope that they'll find the solution to their
problem. So you don't have a point.

Are you really this stupid? People come to a newsgroup to post and of
course they will see the bickering threads since they have not killed
them or the posters who contributed.

No, you're genuinely stupid. If you were genuinely curious, you'd do
your own research.

From the first time you started preening to Heathfield it became clear
to me that you were a simpering little wannabe with grandiose ideas of
your C knowledge and your importance. It must be quite humiliating to be
corrected nearly every time you try to quote the standard?

What does that mean? It could mean that you haven't followed many
discussions on usenet.

If you weren't such a cross eyed fool, you would see exactly what it
means. Are you really pretending not to understand his meaning there?

In case you're not a troll, here's my advice, ask the C questions you
have to ask, read discussions that interest you and don't be involved
in anything else.

No one really cares about your advice. And as Thompson points out you
are a rude little shit.

 

[Joachim Schmitz]

(e-mail address removed) writes:


No one really cares about your advice. And as Thompson points out you
are a rude little shit.

Only that he did so without adding yet another insult.

Bye, Jojo

 

[Richard]

Only that he did so without adding yet another insult.

Bye, Jojo

What are you talking about? You are defending vippstar's unprovoked rant
against someone who posed some perfectly reasonable points.

And, FYI, Keith's comments were:

"And you're genuinely thoughtless and rude"

If that is not an insult then I don't know what is. If you have a point
please make it.

 

[Kenny McCormack]

And, FYI, Keith's comments were:

"And you're genuinely thoughtless and rude"

If that is not an insult then I don't know what is. If you have a point
please make it.

I actually think that in KT's mentality, that's not an insult.
(The thinking is) It's not an insult unless it uses name-calling and/or
profanity. As long as it can be seen as merely a "statement of fact",
then it is not an insult. It can be viewed as merely a statement devoid
of emotion. Much as they (KT, et al) continue to maintain that telling
people to sod off of their precious group (their endless "OT" drivel),
that they are not being rude or insulting. They cling to this notion
that it is all non-emotional.

Needless to say, this is all a very juvenile view of the world and of
how to interact with other human beings. Comes with the
(autistic/Asperger's) territory.

 

[Kenny McCormack]

No, you're genuinely stupid. If you were genuinely curious, you'd do
your own research.

[...]

And you're genuinely thoughtless and rude.

Uh oh. Regs fight. Not good.

 

[J. J. Farrell]

You see posts from Han from China and Richard Heathfield. That means,
to some point, your client works. Here's the story: Han from China is
some idiot who thought that spending some time to recall discussions
would turn him into a "master troll". Be aware of him because if you
piss him off he'll threaten to release your book in PDF format on
rapidshare, megaupload _AND_ P2P!


"Yes, they could". Is that the answer you were seeking?


People who seek help from a newsgroup are likely either to search it,
which means they won't see off-topic posts (with effective searches)
OR they'll make their own thread. They won't start reading all the
messages posted in hope that they'll find the solution to their
problem. So you don't have a point.

On the contrary, he has an excellent point which several other new
readers have made. Netiquette requires newbies to read a group to a
reasonable extent to get a feel for its nature and subject matter before
posting to it; some people abide by this. Even if a newbie didn't bother
to browse a few threads, it is obvious from the titles of several
threads that they are about inter-personal insult and obsession rather
than C.

No, you're genuinely stupid. If you were genuinely curious, you'd do
your own research.

There is no evidence in this thread that Zach is in any way stupid. He
may be naive about the ways of trolls and the antisocial behaviour they
consider to be fun, but I see no sign of stupidity. You on the other
hand are being extremely rude and unpleasant; an apology is called for.

What does that mean? It could mean that you haven't followed many
discussions on usenet.

In case you're not a troll, here's my advice, ask the C questions you
have to ask, read discussions that interest you and don't be involved
in anything else.

It is just about conceivable from his original posting in this thread
that Zach is a troll, though it doesn't seem likely. Taken in
combination with his other recent messages, it seems extremely unlikely.

 

[Joachim Schmitz]

What are you talking about? You are defending vippstar's unprovoked
rant against someone who posed some perfectly reasonable points.

No I'm not

And, FYI, Keith's comments were:

"And you're genuinely thoughtless and rude"

Which is factly and not insulting. It was you resorting to fecal
expressions.

 

[Antoninus Twink]

The way I see clc, it's here for people to discuss programming in C,
to network with each other as fellow C programmers, and to help others
learn more about C.

And how exactly do you think it advances these aims when you try to
bully people discussing C to get lost and go to another newsgroup?

 

[user923005]

I don't know the back story but I see a lot of posts about a Mr. Han
from China and Richard Heathfield. Can these conflicts perhaps be
handled with private email? It gives a bad impression to people
seeking help when they see a C newsgroup filled with all these off-
topic posts I think. I hope this doesn't further stir the pot, but I
am genuinely curious. I've never seen it in another technical
newsgroup on USENET.

Look through for post by
(e-mail address removed)

Look through for posts by James S. Harris (*NOT* the
same as James Harris who posts here)

Examine this site:
http://www.crank.net/megalomaniacs.html

Quite frankly, I have never seen a technical NNTP forum that has *not*
had a persistent net crank at some point in its history.

They tend to come and go, though some are very persistent (JSH springs
to mind).

They are the raison d'être for killfiles.

HTH

 

[Keith Thompson]

No I'm not


Which is factly and not insulting. It was you resorting to fecal
expressions.

I didn't see either of Richard's messages other than quotations in
other messages. I did not, and would not, call vippstar a "rude
little shit". If Richard chooses to insult people, he shouldn't
attach my name to his insults.

What I actually meant, and perhaps should have stated more clearly,
was that vippstar was being thoughtless and rude in this particular
instance. My criticism was of his specific behavior, not of him in
general.

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip ...

If you've got fifteen bucks to spend, you can get an nsp that
filters out spam. news.individual.net made clc readable for me.

motzarella does a pretty good job of that. Unfortunately, they
don't filter trolls. :-(

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip ...

Now, see, I've been reading this group on and off for about 4 years
and have never posted anything, but have frequently been tempted to
put a "gee, can't you all just get along?" sort of post up. I never
did because I figured that anyone who did so (or, apparently posts
pretty much anything else) would get called an idiot in one way or
another. That is, as I now understand it, the standard operating
procedure. I'm hoping someone will now commence calling me an idiot
in some way or another.

Please don't strip attributions for material you quote. Those are
the 'joe wrote:" initial lines.

The ones who call others idiots, and other things, are probably
just echoing their own condition. That is very rarely needed, in
fact never. They have marked themselves as PLONK candidates.

 

[Richard]

motzarella does a pretty good job of that. Unfortunately, they
don't filter trolls. :-(

It took you more than a year to drop teranews and actually use
Motzarella. If anyone is the troll here it is you.