newsgroup conflict?

[Richard]

Now here's a message that seems to accurately display your
knowledge and understanding.

My C is reasonable enough. I do not claim to be a standard monkey like
you aspire to be. I do have some slightly "unpopular in c.l.c"
liberal views on language and topicality but I would bet a penny to a
pound my experience in the real world eclipses yours Chuck.

I guess I better stamp that sentence as sarcasm, or you may not
recognize it.

If only you knew how silly you make yourself look day in day out.

 

[Kenny McCormack]

And, FYI, Keith's comments were:

"And you're genuinely thoughtless and rude"

Which is factualy and not insulting. It was you resorting to fecal
expressions.[/QUOTE]

There you have it, gentlemen. What more evidence do you need?

I had been wondering how long it would be until someone (either KT or
one of his defenders) would come along and state that (that calling
someone "thoughtless and rude" is not an insult). But I assumed that I
had poisoned the well by my earlier post (in which I "jumped the gun" by
stating that someone would probably do it).

But then, they did not disappoint me. Even after I'd poisoned the well,
they still drank of it.

 

[Larry Gates]

Some free news servers. I use motzarella and gmane. [...]
<http://www.individual.net/ (low pay)

Sure this isn't news.individual.net ?

Pointing your web browser at http://www.individual.net/ would have
answered this question for you.

[...]

Ach ja, das ist die freie uni zu berlin.

One of the things you aren't giving these people is a license to invade
your privacy. That's been a *big thing* with the FU and all the berliners
who said "laßt euch nicht zählen."

I think clc has a poster who got his doctorate there a few years back.
--
larry gates

No prisoner's dilemma here. Over the long term, symbiosis is more
useful than parasitism. More fun, too. Ask any mitochondria.
-- Larry Wall in <[email protected]>

 

[Kenny McCormack]

You'll have to ask the spoilt children doing it why they do it. Don't
expect a sensible answer, however. Meantime, the folks actually trying
to do something about it keep getting crapped on for trying to do
something about it, not only by the trolls, but a handful of other spoilt
children.

I do wish these people would grow up.

It's just that you have it completely wrong as to who the trolls really
are and who needs to "grow up".

 

[Kenny McCormack]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:04:32 +0000, Kenny McCormack wrote:

Oh, I might have neglected to mention, in the previous post: since you
*are* one of those spoilt children, *plonk*.

Another mental killfile user?

 

[CBFalconer]

You'll have to ask the spoilt children doing it why they do it.
Don't expect a sensible answer, however. Meantime, the folks
actually trying to do something about it keep getting crapped on
for trying to do something about it, not only by the trolls, but
a handful of other spoilt children.

I do wish these people would grow up.

The problem is feeding the trolls. If everybody simply plonked
them, they would eventually tire of the game and go away. Realize
that 'doing something about it' does not include replying to them.

At least one of them is a perfectly normal poster on a different
newsgroup. There, he is not plonked by me.

 

[Antoninus Twink]

So am I - Heathfield has provided years of valuable service here;

He has provided years of valuable self-service, that's for sure. The
effects on the character of the group, though, have been profound - and
not in a positive way.

Heathfield has systematically worked to build up a power-base of fawning
cronies, and in fact he gained such a groundswell of support that even
the "big name" regulars would rarely dare to try to smack down his
arrogance.

Change is in the air now, though - there's now a whole phalanx of
posters (the ones CBF calls "trolls", mostly) who have stood up and said
that the emperor has no clothes, that Heathfield is like the Wizard of
Oz, all smoke and mirrors. There is now a contrary voice, resisting the
deification of Richard Heathfield.

as far as I can tell, what you've provided is noise.

Perhaps you should try reading some of my posts then - that might inform
your judgment.

The majority of what I post is technical answers to people's questions.
It's true that when the topicality taliban post ridiculously provocative
articles, I think it's important to provide a voice to inform new
clc'ers that their opinion is not the only one in the group, and holds
no more force that anybody else's opinion.

On that note, *plonk*.

You really need to get over yourself.

 

[Antoninus Twink]

Meantime, the folks actually trying to do something about it keep
getting crapped on for trying to do something about it, not only by
the trolls, but a handful of other spoilt children.

Yeah, funny how bad-tempered bullying puts people's backs up, isn't
it?

 

[Antoninus Twink]

The problem is feeding the trolls. If everybody simply plonked them,
they would eventually tire of the game and go away.

On this as on almost everything else, Chuckie simply doesn't get it.

The only game is the one the "regulars" want to make us all play, the
game defined by their illogical "topicality" rules.

"I'd like to time something within +- 1 second."
"Great - that's on topic!"
"Now I'd like to time something within +- 1 microsecond."
"That's off topic - not C, not standard, not portable, can't talk about
it."

Of course this is a game, and a stupid game that can only serve to
frustrate an alienate both new posters and C experts who might otherwise
hang around to answer their questions.

The problem is not "feeding the trolls". The problem is the small
hard-core of "regulars" who aren't prepared to live and let live, but
want to force everyone else to conform to their view of this group. They
don't own this group, they have no special right to dictate "topicality"
any more than any other poster does, but still they simply can't bear to
know that C programmers are discussing real-world C here without their
permission.

Luckily, victory is simple: all we have to do is keep discussing
real-world C, which is all any of us wants to do anyway!