alt vs title in explorer 7 & firefox

[Neredbojias]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:54:15
GMT dorayme scribed:

What a nice round figure and neat where it is, 2 x 1000! No...
you won't solve quickly, it takes some persistence and the real
worth in all this is not the mere figure but the approach to it.
How it must be reasoned with... (now I am reminded of a line in
Pride and Prejudice where Elizabeth is besides herself over
Wickam's elopement with her 16 year old sister. He is a bit of a
scoundrel and she blurts out to her sister Jane, "How is a man
like that to be reasoned with?" The desert is like that, but
there is a way, and a more honourable one than the way Wickham
had to be dealt with.

So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?

 

[Neredbojias]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:55:01
GMT andrew scribed:

[...]

Here's something you should realize. Jukka has learned English as a
second language, and being a very intelligent man, has done so very
well. He probably knows and uses it better than many native Brits,
Yanks, and particularly Australians.

Your slur upon the Australian people is duly noted No more shrimps
on the barbie for any of youse!

Fine with me. I was never a proponent of crustaceanality in the first
place.

 

[Ben C]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:54:15
GMT dorayme scribed:


So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?

It's too big. I can do better than 2000.

 

[Bergamot]

I would like to be enlightened
as to what the purpose of this group is.

This is not a help desk, it's a Usenet discussion group. No one here is
under any obligation to give you the answer you seek. It is not unusual
for questions by newbies to result in discussions of any merits (or lack
thereof) related to the original query. Getting sidetracked is not
uncommon, either. If you don't like it, you can go elsewhere.

Is it to stroke the "regulars"
egos by demonstrating how inadequate others are, or to offer help to
those wanting to learn web authoring?

If you are genuinely interested in learning, not just getting a quick
answer to some fool "problem" then ducking out like most google groupers
do these days, don't expect to have *your* ego stroked. Just don't take
things so personally.

"You should stop working
on web pages before you understand the basics, including the alt
attribute."
the sentence is grammatically incorrect.

This is an international group. It is considered rude to pick on English
spelling and grammar errors, since English is not native to many posters
here, including some regulars.

Shall I point out the errors in the sentence below?

Doe you believe that you were experts when you published your first
webpage?

You aren't expected to be an expert when you first start out, but you
are expected to do some homework on your own, and learn a little
netiquette. Lurk in the group for a while before posting, and use google
groups for the only thing it's really good for - searching the archives
to try and find your own answers.

 

[Neredbojias]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:23:54 GMT
Ben C scribed:

It's too big. I can do better than 2000.

I have no doubt you are correct, but how? I worked on this until I got
migraine of the medulla and now I need some constructive assistance.

 

[dorayme]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:54:15
GMT dorayme scribed:


So all that means exactly what with regard to my number?

It means that your figure is wrong, either because it is
impossible to cross the desert in so low a mileage (you make an
error in your reasoning if you did not simply pluck a number off
a shelf - see my previous post on this) or so high a figure (you
simply gave up before considering deeper issues).

Now, if you do not understand these last remarks of mine, it is a
safe bet you will never solve the more complicated problem of
understanding the logistics involved in the desert. So, for now,
I want you to concentrate heavily on these last remarks of mine.
Loll them about in that xenophobic, sexist, javascript loving
brain of yours.

Now there is a thought, Boji! Javascript. You could cheat and
write a program to get the result or very close to it. You know,
I used to solve problems like this in Basic when I worked my SE
and SE30. It was a lot of fun. I "solved" some of the other bin
Hassad puzzles this way. You make a model suitable for a program
and run it. I did that successfully, if I recall, with

<http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/binHassad/theMoving8.htm
l>

and I think with

<http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/binHassad/camelSkinTrade
r.html>

But the desert would be trickier to program for. However,
personal computers are pretty powerful these days and you might
get something half sensible by sheer number crunching. (That is
basically what chess computers do - or did... they are getting
smarter I hear)

 

[dorayme]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:23:54 GMT
Ben C scribed:


I have no doubt you are correct, but how? I worked on this until I got
migraine of the medulla and now I need some constructive assistance.

Ben, I am begging you not to! You have already given him the clue
that it is a lower figure (something I was not prepared to do).
It is a clue because if you (who understands arcane things in the
css bible) can get a lower figure, it is likely to be lower
rather than higher.

I now take remedial action:

Boji... Boji... you are feeling sleepy... you are getting tired
and and your eyes are feeling heavy.... when you wake up, the
figure could be more or less than 2000...

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Don't forget, a Grouper is a kind of fish, too. Who knows, this guy could
be your second cousin...

You misspelled "dinner".

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:44:27
GMT dorayme scribed:


Males are often magnificent with regard to females.

But here's what groupers actually look like:

http://blinkynet.net/comp/googlegrouper.html

(...as linked from the main page shown in my sig.)

 

[Blinky the Shark]

I don't claim to be an expert6, why don't you butt out.

I guess that's a "no", then.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

If sharks swim backwards, they die of fart-poisoning.

Or because our gills don't function with that direction of motion.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

My reply to you was rude, I apologize. I would like to be enlightened

Accepted. I already responded to that, but not defensively like you did
to my post.

as to what the purpose of this group is. Is it to stroke the
"regulars" egos by demonstrating how inadequate others are, or to
offer help to those wanting to learn web authoring?

In my opinion, it's (mostly) to talk about issues of importance and
interest to people who create and maintain web documents. Regulars
learn from this dialog; newbies learn from this dialog. Some people
think it's a help desk, and while help is certainly given out every day
to those requesting it, some come in with the attitude that they're
*owed* something; those sometimes are asked if they'd like a refund;
some of them actually get the point, but some don't.

Surely their must be some "regulars" that find "You should stop
working

"there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".

on web pages before you understand the basics, including the alt
attribute. -Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")" to be pretty intolerant. Also,

That's sometimes very good advice. For those who come here to get
stroked for their wonderful new site it may come as a surprise. But it
*still* might be very good advice for them.

the sentence is grammatically incorrect. Do English teachers make

Jukka's statement is gramatically correct.

He's blunt. But he's a wealth of information. You won't go wrong
listening to him.

statements that one should not write until one masters the language?
If

One probably shouldn't *publish* until one has the necessary skills; web
pages are published (or they're not much use, sitting there on your
local machine).

we all wait until we know everything about a subject before we tackled
it, nothing would ever get started.

His instruction was about "understand(ing) the basics", not about
"know(ing) everything". Don't redefine what he said and then cop an
attitude to what *you* made up.

Doe you believe that you were experts when you published your first
webpage?

I can only speak for myself, which is less than your question asks. No,
of course I wasn't. And Jukka has not said anything about being an
expert. He suggested that you learn the "basics". You might want to
pay more attention to what's actually been *said*, rather than making up
stuff and getting your nose bent about what *you've* created.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Well, I'd say he's human and testy sometimes. Even crass occasionally.
But so what? I am, too, and it's okay to fight back with at least a
modicum of decorum, but when the dialogue degrades to cussin', there ain't
no dialogue.

Band name! Modicum of Decorum

 

[dorayme]

"there". "their" is a possessive, as in "it's their new car".

You sure about this?

 

[wayne]

This is not a help desk, it's a Usenet discussion group. No one here is
under any obligation to give you the answer you seek. It is not unusual
for questions by newbies to result in discussions of any merits (or lack
thereof) related to the original query. Getting sidetracked is not
uncommon, either. If you don't like it, you can go elsewhere.

Perhaps it isn't, you are under no obligation to help if you don't want
to. Attacking the op though, seems inappropriate to me. In all fairness,
perhaps I missed something in the original exchange.

If you are genuinely interested in learning, not just getting a quick
answer to some fool "problem" then ducking out like most google groupers
do these days, don't expect to have *your* ego stroked. Just don't take
things so personally.

Understood. The remarks were not made towards me.

This is an international group. It is considered rude to pick on English
spelling and grammar errors, since English is not native to many posters
here, including some regulars.

My belief is one should not attack anyone, that is what prompted my
outburst.

Shall I point out the errors in the sentence below?

Yes, I see. I'll have to get that spell check fixed!

You aren't expected to be an expert when you first start out, but you
are expected to do some homework on your own, and learn a little
netiquette. Lurk in the group for a while before posting, and use google
groups for the only thing it's really good for - searching the archives
to try and find your own answers.

How long should one "lurk" before posting? How does the group regulars
determine if one has pulled out enough hair searching for an answer?

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

How long should one "lurk" before posting? How does the group regulars
determine if one has pulled out enough hair searching for an answer?

As long as it takes, some folks are a bit sharper at piking up how to
quote, snip, and ask a question than others. I do find it amazing that
number of folks who post here that assume we are clairvoyant and as
questions like: "My webpage doesn't work, why?"

 

[wayne]

He is AN authority on those subjects thanks to years of experience,
study and participation in the community.

You, on the other hand, I've never heard of.

That's OK, I've never heard of you either!

BTW, your sig is broken the space after -- is missing.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

You sure about this?

Yup. *it's* contraction of *it is* and *their* is the possessive form of
*they*. Seems correct to me.

 

[Neredbojias]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:11:44
GMT Blinky the Shark scribed:

Or because our gills don't function with that direction of motion.

I was born with gills that didn't function in any direction so they
atrophied.

 

[Neredbojias]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:10:09 GMT
Blinky the Shark scribed:

But here's what groupers actually look like:

http://blinkynet.net/comp/googlegrouper.html

(...as linked from the main page shown in my sig.)

That's what I thought! Dorayme said they were "magnificent" (-and watch
her bitch about the capital "d",) but that looks more like a rather
flattened version of Jabba the Hutt. From vague memories in the past, I
believed they were butt-ugly but couldn't picture any.