How to improve this page.

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  1. Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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    Whitecrest Guest

    In article <DxSNb.44904$>,
    says...
    > How can I improve this page?
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marcianamarina.html


    Ok, for once I am going to be brutal and tell you exactly what I think
    of your page.

    First get a better photographer, The room pics leave a lot to be
    desired. they are dark and they make the room look small and dirty.
    Either get some more light in there, or hire a pro to take the pictures.

    I would leave the site the moment it came. Here is why. It instantly
    bored me to death. Can't read a word of it, but I am assuming this is
    a vacation rental or spa. Well show me VACATION!!! show me what I will
    get if I come there. And show it to my by making your site more alive,
    bright, fun do something.

    Yea, it might be perfect as far as the HTML and CSS goes, but come on
    you are using a dirty yellow background with puke green and orange all
    over the place. And then you show me dirty rooms. (Yes I know they are
    not really dirty, but in the pictures they look it). This is supposed
    to make me want to go there?

    Mind you, this is only an opinion, but it is truly what I think, I was
    not trying to be mean, only completely honest. Others may think the site
    it the best in the world, and they could be right too.

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    Whitecrest, Jan 16, 2004
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    Nico Schuyt Guest

    Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
    > How can I improve this page?
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marcianamarina.html


    Well, I agree with Whitecrest. The design and the quality of the coding are
    improved in the past year(s) (compared with a page like
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/indirizzi.html) but a lot of things can
    be done.
    Start using better quality of pictures and place them more on top of the
    page. Now I have to scroll to see a picture
    Look again at the menu. Try to use not more than one or two words in each
    button. Cann't "Kontakta Scaiecat Spa Gigi" not be replaced by "Kontakta"?
    Group the items.
    BTW how much time did it take you so far? Wasn't it a lot easier and cheaper
    to hire a professional? :)
    Nico
     
    Nico Schuyt, Jan 16, 2004
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    mark | r Guest

    mark | r, Jan 16, 2004
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  5. "mark | r" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    > damned thats badly designed - the colours look bad, the layout is bad...
    > mark


    I asked about an opinon about how to improve the page and not whether it was
    good or bad.

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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  6. "Nico Schuyt" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:40080d4c$0$59444$...
    > Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
    > > How can I improve this page?
    > > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marcianamarina.html

    >
    > Well, I agree with Whitecrest. The design and the quality of the coding

    are
    > improved in the past year(s) (compared with a page like
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/indirizzi.html) but a lot of things

    can
    > be done.


    May-be I missed something but I do not think that Whitecrest suggested that
    The design and the quality of the coding hade been improved in the past
    year,
    so I would say that this is your opinion not necessarily his, he might think
    that the quality has got worse.
    > Start using better quality of pictures and place them more on top of the
    > page. Now I have to scroll to see a picture

    Again, the quality of pictures does not always depend on me...
    however, you may have a look at www.google.it
    select "images" and search "gabbiano". There is a picture on that page which
    I made myself and is on the website
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com
    It is on the first page of the results.

    > Look again at the menu. Try to use not more than one or two words in each
    > button. Cann't "Kontakta Scaiecat Spa Gigi" not be replaced by "Kontakta"?
    > Group the items.

    I have already grouped the items of the menu. What do you actually mean?

    > BTW how much time did it take you so far? Wasn't it a lot easier and

    cheaper
    > to hire a professional? :)
    > Nico


    No, it had been more difficult and more expensive.
    Besides,
    it is much better to learn. Do you not like learning?
    To learn something often implies that something is cheaper in the long run.
    On top of this, I doubt whether a professional had made a better job. One
    reason for that is that I see as an advantage that the one who creates the
    site also understand all the texts.
    which are written on it in all the languages. How many professionals do you
    know in the computer design who can at least Italian, Swedish, German,
    English and French?

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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  7. "Whitecrest" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:...
    > In article <DxSNb.44904$>,
    > says...
    > > How can I improve this page?
    > > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marcianamarina.html

    >
    > Ok, for once I am going to be brutal and tell you exactly what I think
    > of your page.
    >
    > First get a better photographer, The room pics leave a lot to be
    > desired. they are dark and they make the room look small and dirty.
    > Either get some more light in there, or hire a pro to take the pictures.

    I appreciate very much that you say your opinion. I also say mine now:
    you did not give many suggestions in my opinion.
    The photos of the apartment have been sent by the person who rents the
    apartment (see below)

    > I would leave the site the moment it came. Here is why. It instantly
    > bored me to death. Can't read a word of it, but I am assuming this is
    > a vacation rental or spa. Well show me VACATION!!! show me what I will
    > get if I come there. And show it to my by making your site more alive,
    > bright, fun do something.


    As to colours it is a matter of taste, I am under the impression, for
    example that people in the Northern part of Europe ( I may be wrong of
    course)
    do not like bright colours that much. Also, there was someone in the group,
    as far as I remember who critizised the fact that the colours on the website
    were too bright. Again, this shows in my opinion that people often have
    different tastes about colours.
    No, the page does not tell you about any spa. It tells you about the
    intermediation for rent of an holiday lodging ( apart fromt the links) and
    shows photos of the island Elba.

    > Yea, it might be perfect as far as the HTML and CSS goes, but come on
    > you are using a dirty yellow background with puke green and orange all
    > over the place. And then you show me dirty rooms. (Yes I know they are
    > not really dirty, but in the pictures they look it). This is supposed
    > to make me want to go there?


    It might be perfect or is it perfect? Any suggestion about CSS or HTML?'

    > Mind you, this is only an opinion, but it is truly what I think, I was
    > not trying to be mean, only completely honest. Others may think the site
    > it the best in the world, and they could be right too.


    I know that it is only your opinion


    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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    Nico Schuyt Guest

    Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
    > "Nico Schuyt" skrev
    >> Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:


    >>> http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marcianamarina.html


    >> Well, I agree with Whitecrest. The design and the quality of the
    >> coding are improved in the past year(s) (compared with a page like
    >> http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/indirizzi.html) but a lot of
    >> things can be done.


    > May-be I missed something but I do not think that Whitecrest
    > suggested that The design and the quality of the coding hade been
    > improved in the past year,


    Whitecrest: "Yea, it might be perfect as far as the HTML and CSS goes"
    and I'm pretty sure he agrees that pages like
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/indirizzi.html is far worse then your
    present ones.

    > so I would say that this is your opinion not necessarily his, he
    > might think that the quality has got worse.


    Hardly possible :)

    >> Start using better quality of pictures and place them more on top of
    >> the page. Now I have to scroll to see a picture


    > Again, the quality of pictures does not always depend on me...


    I know, it was discussed before. And you'll hear it probably often in the
    future. Just get better pictures :)

    >> Look again at the menu. Try to use not more than one or two words in
    >> each button. Cann't "Kontakta Scaiecat Spa Gigi" not be replaced by
    >> "Kontakta"? Group the items.


    > I have already grouped the items of the menu. What do you actually
    > mean?


    More compact menus for easier navigation

    >> BTW how much time did it take you so far? Wasn't it a lot easier and
    >> cheaper to hire a professional? :)


    > No, it had been more difficult and more expensive.


    I doubt that.

    Cheers, Nico
     
    Nico Schuyt, Jan 16, 2004
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  9. "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:mcXNb.44936$...
    >
    > "Nico Schuyt" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:40080d4c$0$59444$...
    > > Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
    > > > How can I improve this page?
    > > > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marcianamarina.html

    > >
    > > Well, I agree with Whitecrest. The design and the quality of the coding

    > are
    > > improved in the past year(s) (compared with a page like
    > > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/indirizzi.html) but a lot of things

    > can
    > > be done.

    >
    > May-be I missed something but I do not think that Whitecrest suggested

    that
    > The design and the quality of the coding hade been improved in the past
    > year,
    > so I would say that this is your opinion not necessarily his, he might

    think
    > that the quality has got worse.
    > > Start using better quality of pictures and place them more on top of the
    > > page. Now I have to scroll to see a picture

    > Again, the quality of pictures does not always depend on me...
    > however, you may have a look at www.google.it
    > select "images" and search "gabbiano". There is a picture on that page

    which
    > I made myself and is on the website
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com
    > It is on the first page of the results.


    http://images.google.it/images?q=gabbiano&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=it




    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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  10. "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:mcXNb.44936$...
    >
    > "Nico Schuyt" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:40080d4c$0$59444$...
    > > Look again at the menu. Try to use not more than one or two words in

    each
    > > button. Cann't "Kontakta Scaiecat Spa Gigi" not be replaced by

    "Kontakta"?

    I do not think that it would be a good idea to replace it by "kontakta"
    because the word would not say much out of the context when it is saved by
    robots.


    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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  11. "Nico Schuyt" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:40084588$0$95853$...
    > Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
    > > "Nico Schuyt" skrev
    > >> Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:

    > More compact menus for easier navigation


    What do you mean by "compact" in this context?
    > >> BTW how much time did it take you so far? Wasn't it a lot easier and
    > >> cheaper to hire a professional? :)

    >
    > > No, it had been more difficult and more expensive.

    >
    > I doubt that.



    Freedom of speech is very important and, as I said, I have another opinion
    ( I also explained to some extent why)
    One might compare that with the difference between learning and using
    different languages and employ interpreters or translators who let you know
    what something means. Today I can understand a very high number of languages
    and I can use actively some. That gives me access to a lot of information
    at a very cheap price. If I had not spent a lot of time learning languages I
    could have not done it ( and I am still learning!)
    > Cheers, Nico


    Best regards

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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  12. "Nico Schuyt" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:40084588$0$95853$...
    >
    > I know, it was discussed before. And you'll hear it probably often in the
    > future. Just get better pictures :)


    I sometimes may get in touch with landlords and landladies who rent their
    lodgings at lower leasing prices
    because they do not spend so much for photographers...


    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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  13. "Nico Schuyt" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:40084588$0$95853$...
    > Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
    > > "Nico Schuyt" skrev
    > >> Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
    > >> Start using better quality of pictures and place them more on top of
    > >> the page. Now I have to scroll to see a picture


    All the things which are shown before the first picture seem to be more
    important, for example the link
    "Kontakta Scaiecat Spa Gigi", so I doubt whether it would be better in this
    case to put the photos more on top of the page.
    But what about aural browsers? Any suggestions?

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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    Whitecrest Guest

    In article <40084588$0$95853$>,
    says...
    > Whitecrest: "Yea, it might be perfect as far as the HTML and CSS goes"
    > and I'm pretty sure he agrees that pages like
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/indirizzi.html is far worse then your
    > present ones.


    Yes, I completely agree.

    > I know, it was discussed before. And you'll hear it probably often in the
    > future. Just get better pictures :)


    That alone would improve the site 100%

    --
    Whitecrest Entertainment
    www.whitecrestent.com
     
    Whitecrest, Jan 16, 2004
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    jake Guest

    In message <DxSNb.44904$>, Luigi Donatello
    Asero <> writes
    >How can I improve this page?
    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marcianamarina.html
    >
    >
    >
    >--
    >Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    >
    >
    > http://www.italymap.dk
    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
    >
    >
    >
    >



    As most people have commented on, the quality of the photos is poor. I
    assume that these are flat-bed scans of photographs? (You have partial
    borders on some of them -- these could be removed by rotating, cropping,
    and resizing.

    Still, 100k of photos on one page does seem a little excessive.

    regards.

    --
    Jake
     
    jake, Jan 16, 2004
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  16. "Whitecrest" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:...
    > In article <40084588$0$95853$>,
    > says...
    > > Whitecrest: "Yea, it might be perfect as far as the HTML and CSS goes"
    > > and I'm pretty sure he agrees that pages like
    > > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/indirizzi.html is far worse then

    your
    > > present ones.

    >
    > Yes, I completely agree.
    >
    > > I know, it was discussed before. And you'll hear it probably often in

    the
    > > future. Just get better pictures :)

    >
    > That alone would improve the site 100%



    Do you think that also the photos on the homepage
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/
    and for example those on the page
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/amalfi.html
    are not good?

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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  17. "jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:U2$...
    > In message <DxSNb.44904$>, Luigi Donatello
    > Asero <> writes
    > >How can I improve this page?
    > >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marcianamarina.html
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >--
    > >Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > >
    > >
    > > http://www.italymap.dk
    > >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    > As most people have commented on, the quality of the photos is poor. I
    > assume that these are flat-bed scans of photographs? (You have partial
    > borders on some of them -- these could be removed by rotating, cropping,
    > and resizing.
    >
    > Still, 100k of photos on one page does seem a little excessive.



    So, if I understand you correctly, if you were I, you would put smaller
    pictures on the page?


    Best regards
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jan 16, 2004
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    Whitecrest Guest

    In article <AyZNb.44957$>,
    says...
    > > Still, 100k of photos on one page does seem a little excessive.

    > So, if I understand you correctly, if you were I, you would put smaller
    > pictures on the page?


    Smaller in bytes, not necessarily in size

    --
    Whitecrest Entertainment
    www.whitecrestent.com
     
    Whitecrest, Jan 17, 2004
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
    >
    >>>...Just get better pictures :)

    >>
    >>That alone would improve the site 100%

    >
    >
    >
    > Do you think that also the photos on the homepage
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/
    > and for example those on the page
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/amalfi.html
    > are not good?



    Some of them look really washed out (not enough contrast) compared to
    the others. It would be useful to learn yet another skill with an
    editing program like photoshop or paintshop pro. Learn curves if you
    already have something.

    The images are not sized down and loading more than they need to given
    the dimensions in the html. Then some of them have gunk around the edges
    or are not level or weird dirt & smudges that look like dirty walls.

    Here's a quick stab at one of the rooms:
    http://www.edgehill.net/vardagsrum

    the code reads:
    <img SRC="../bilder/vardagsrum.JPG"
    ALIGN="LEFT" WIDTH="259,44" HEIGHT="178,48"

    So the 576 pixel wide image is only being used at 279 pixels wide
    27K versus 7K file size
     
    Paul Furman, Jan 17, 2004
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    Nico Schuyt Guest

    Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
    > "Nico Schuyt" skrev


    >> I know, it was discussed before. And you'll hear it probably often
    >> in the future. Just get better pictures :)


    > I sometimes may get in touch with landlords and landladies who rent
    > their lodgings at lower leasing prices
    > because they do not spend so much for photographers...


    Even a camera of 15 US$ makes better pictures.
    I think the problem is caused by the way the pictures were scanned and
    optimized in a picture editor.
    Nico
     
    Nico Schuyt, Jan 17, 2004
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